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  2. Two-Gun Pete

    Morosi: White Sox interested in "both Machado and Harper"

    Despite my personal preference for a LH power bat, I think Id rather have Machado than Harper. I'm more confident in Mahado being good for ~3+ fWAR over the next 3-4 seasons, given Machados relative consistency over his career. I'm also looking at an abject lack of options @ 3B in the system, & see Machado as filling a gaping hole. I also would bet on Machado's dickish nature attenuating over the years as he gets older (& hopefully more mature). While Harper is the more "marketable option" (as far as baseball players go), he alone can't fix decades of missteps in building an attractive brand. Also, given the wild balance in his performance over his career, coupled with the NL-to-AL adjustment, I could easily see him laying a steaming "Adam Dunn" were he to come here. That said, if Harper does sign here, I won't complain. Id just prefer Machado over Harper.
  3. Whitesox27

    Creative Trades

    Swap Williams with JP Crawford and I'd consider it.
  4. GreenSox

    Creative Trades

    The Sox have no use for Santana; and trading 2 young pitching prospects with this thin staff? Nix.
  5. Today
  6. Quinarvy

    Frank Thomas has a message for ESPN

    https://old.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/9xnniq/espn_forgets_the_white_sox_part_435/e9tpf9l/
  7. South Side Fireworks Man

    Frank Thomas has a message for ESPN

    Sox will have to sign both Harper and Machado, then win multiple World Series titles to become relevant.
  8. Chicago White Sox

    Creative Trades

    Not to be a dick, but I don’t understand why we would ever make that trade. Nick Williams isn’t worth taking on Santana’s contract and giving up three pieces on top of it (even for a small discount) doesn’t make a lick of sense to me. What does this move accomplish for us exactly?
  9. Buehrle>Wood

    Frank Thomas has a message for ESPN

    ESPN is trolling the Sox by this point.
  10. Didn't know where to put this so I started a new thread. ESPN apparently "forget" about the White Sox yet again in a tweet. Frank Thomas saw it...and let them know about it: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/espn-forgot-about-white-sox-again-and-big-hurt-let-em-hear-about-it It is remarkable how that network keeps getting the details wrong. You'd think they'd have researchers and basically an unlimited data base to check facts. Shameful journalism.
  11. TheFutureIsNear

    Creative Trades

    Something like Carlos Santana and Nick Williams for Nate Jones, Jordan Stephens and Bernardo Flores. Phillies take on a few mil of Santana's 2020 season as well...
  12. OmarComing25

    Morosi: White Sox interested in "both Machado and Harper"

    The $9 million/WAR figure comes from a study done on how free agents have performed relative to the contracts they were given, I don’t think it’s an actual reflection of how front offices value WAR. I don’t think any GM is valuing league average players at $20 million/year or that they’re expecting league average production out of players they’re giving $20 million/year.
  13. Lip Man 1

    2018-9 MLB off season free agency thread

    Brian Cashman to MLB.com: "I don't think it really matters what we wind up doing, as long as we do well enough that we become the best team in baseball. We're capable of being big-game hunters. We've reset our luxury tax." Be afraid people...be very afraid.
  14. Dick Allen

    White Sox trying to trade Avi Garcia?

    How would it make a difference either way? It is a non issue.
  15. caulfield12

    2018-19 NCAA Basketball thread

    Iowa BB is officially back to relevance again...takes some of the sting off the FB season.
  16. Twitter activity has about the same correlation (or Facebook likes) as predicting the eventual success or box office opening of a new movie. (Not to mention how many Millennials are opting out of social media altogether the last 2-3 years and are not being captured or represented at all.) It’s just one indicator. If you went by hats/jerseys/T-shirt’s worn or sold the last five years in the Midwest, you’d think it 90/10 Cubs to Sox.
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  18. Chicago White Sox

    Morosi: White Sox interested in "both Machado and Harper"

    It gives no sort of representation whatsoever unless you’re able to filter it on people in Chicago. Even then, I’d wager a much larger portion of the Cubs core fanbase uses Twitter than ours. What your doing with this “data” is quite frankly lazy & wrong.
  19. caulfield12

    Amazon HQ2

    Capitalism is Why Americans are Subsidizing the World’s Richest Man (LOL) Why American Ideas of the Way Societies Grow Wealthy and Prosper are Obsolete https://eand.co/capitalism-is-why-americans-are-subsidizing-the-worlds-richest-man-lol-8a775a22fdbb
  20. Just a decade ago, one of the ESPN writers (Greenberg) posited that the Cubs and White Sox possessed the exact same local attendance. It was the regional tour groups and those who came from around the country/world due to the historic nature of Wrigley Field (and day baseball, to a lesser extent) that provided the Cubs another 25-35% on top of the local attendees. Not to mention the current disparity in corporate season tickets. When both teams are playing well (let’s say 2003-2008), the local numbers are basically a stalemate. Whether it’s 67/33 or 65/35 or even 60/40...it’s definitely not as lopsided as it appears now because of the dormant or inactive/in hiding Sox fans. You could probably argue the last half decade has shifted it another 5% or so towards the Cubs because of the last decade of kids in the city growing up with all Cubs, all the time...
  21. Jack Parkman

    Morosi: White Sox interested in "both Machado and Harper"

    It isn't the end all be all, but it is the only set of data publicly available that gives some sort of representation.
  22. Chicago White Sox

    Morosi: White Sox interested in "both Machado and Harper"

    And how much of the Cubs attendance in that season was driven by their local fanbase? There is no doubt in my mind the Cubs are more popular locally, but a lot of that is casuals looking for a good time. Their core base is definitely not 3:1 the size of ours. Ultimately, the biggest difference is the Cubs are a huge regional & national draw. That doesn’t make us a small market club or mean we have 25% of the city. Using the number of Twitter followers to estimate the size of each fanbase is just stupid.
  23. Whitesox27

    Your Offseason Plan

    Apparently the Diamondbacks are shopping Zack Greinke hard. That might be an intriguing short term possibility if they're willing to eat at least half of his contract.
  24. Keep in mind the year after the White Sox won the WS and had their highest attendance ever, the Cubs won 66 games and drew 200,000 more people. 75% is an exaggeration, but there is a significant difference.
  25. When you account that the Cubs own 75% of Chicago, you can't really say they are a large market team. If that is the case, they are in one of the smallest markets in Baseball. I hate to burst everyone's bubble. Please just become a full time cub fan since you have already bought in to the hype.
  26. pcq

    Davidson pitching role not going to grow for now

    I think it should be more than a circus but less than a regular event. Two-way will become a thing. Check back in about five years.
  27. Chicago White Sox

    Morosi: White Sox interested in "both Machado and Harper"

    How do the Cubs own 75% of Chicago?? Like what in the world are you talking about? And no offense, but a lot of people follow BOTH TEAMS. This idea that the 10M people in Chicago are one or the other is simply idiotic. Our market potential is vast, even if we aren’t realizing it all right now. If you honestly think we’re a small market club / have one of the smallest markets, then there is really no hope for you.
  28. Jack Parkman

    Morosi: White Sox interested in "both Machado and Harper"

    Just because the Sox play in Chicago, doesn't mean they aren't a small market team. All of those years they decided to go for it....they did it at the expense of amateur scouting. We have seen what position they got themselves into doing that. The Sox absolutely do not have the largest market in the AL central. When you account that the Cubs own 75% of Chicago, you can't really say they are a large market team. If that is the case, they are in one of the smallest markets in Baseball. I hate to burst everyone's bubble.
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