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Yankees AND Dodgers both going strong into FA
oldsox replied to caulfield12's topic in Pale Hose Talk
New Math: Grandal won't cost $18 MM/year. If we keep Castillo, we have to pay him $8 MM. The difference is just $10 MM. Sign him. -
I wasn't off by 15 million. I didn't include Abreu who is a FA. 50 million + 15 million is 65 million which is what you believe our payroll would be after he signs. I think we are at 49 and change after arb iirc. The problem with your scenario is Moustakas and to a lesser extent Grandal aren't going to get those ABs since all those IF positions are covered. You can get Grandal and rotate him and Collins between 1B/DH and C depending on where McCann is at in the lineup. Moustakas only makes sense if you plan to just use him as a primary DH and a sub a handful of games a year...since all the positions he plays are covered. Since Moose would have to be a DH he would not provide you 3+ WAR like JDM would since he is not anywhere near the hitter JDM is. Your scenario about JDM hurting in interleague games is also moot since Moustakas would literally not be playing unless Yo, Madrigal, Abreu, Grandal had the day off. Wait a year for what? To sign Betts to a 300+ million contract or Springer to a 150+ million dollar contract? They can't waste another year with this core as they head into arbitration. Pederson would be relatively cheap trade wise and if you can make the right deal you do it. If you don't think the Sox have a shot at Cole I really hope you aren't counting on Betts to be an option since he will cost ~100 million dollars more.
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Maybe they can put all their players up in prospective trades to see which ones the Astros actually like...then find better coaching for those guys.
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Why don't you have it?! I'd have found it funny if I came back here today and found out I'd been suspended. lol
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I think if you absolutely cannot deal with Tim Anderson at SS, then you trade him. I think moving him to the outfield severely hampers his development. I also believe that he will become a perennial all star if you trade him. Remember when he said something about how he wasn’t really developed when he was in the minors? Imagine him going to a team with a strong coaching system. He has a lot of talent get to be unlocked.
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I think it is a good idea but they also could get burned. What if he wants to be a SS? Also there is the gamble he struggles in RF or is unhappy and you end up with more issues. I think as fans we all say players can be moved to a new position but not all like to or are able to.
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Yankees AND Dodgers both going strong into FA
SCCWS replied to caulfield12's topic in Pale Hose Talk
I think the difference is he has been there a year so they should have good info on the risk. They also know his clubhouse influence, how the staff feels etc. But maybe he hates Milwaukee and the Brewers don't end up w an advantage. -
I'm for trying to sign Gregorius. Hurt most of 2019 but avg. > 20HRs and 80RBIs over each of 3 prior years while anchoring Yankee defense. He hits from left side and Yankees used him throughout their lineup, from LO to #9. He would be an upgrade at SS but if TAs feelings would be hurt, Didi can DH and likely play 2nd as needed. My guess is he could quickly pick up 1B as well. To me, he seems like an excellent addition, as I have voiced before. Guessing 2 yrs. at $14/per w/option for year 3.
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If this was a computer game and not real life I’d love this idea. Essentially Tampa Bay do this as given there budget it’s the only option really and then strike when a core arrives together. this isn’t a computer game however, we fans and sponsors to appease. Ideally we need to grow these two areas and an even longer rebuild would deminish this. further more waiting for this core to arrive may not happen if players flame out. We have a core growing now, let’s use it, let’s spend! If it means we need to rebuild or re-tool again in 2023 or what we so be it.
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Moustakas would get how many at-bats at third, 2B, 1B, DH and RF in this scenario?
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Yea I think he means he hopes the Sox become more like the Stros/Rays in a subtle way by not mentioning the Sox.
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CaliSoxFanViaSWside replied to southsider2k5's topic in A and J's Olde Tyme Sports Pub
This was actually one of the better Hawk efforts this year especially the play of the 3rd and 4th lines. The problem is the power play went 0-5 and gave up a shorty. But as a team they generated a lot of top scoring chances but Holtby had his best game of the season. Stats favored the Hawks 84-49 Hawks in shot attempts, 43-22 in scoring chances. Washington blocked 17 shot attempts. I think eventually Robin Lehner becomes the #1 goalie though they will get near equal time in the near future until they have enough evidence to play Lehner more. -
'''NFL Thread '2019-'2020 THIS IS ''''THE BEARS' YEAR!
CaliSoxFanViaSWside replied to southsider2k5's topic in A and J's Olde Tyme Sports Pub
I'm willing to admit he sucks like most QB's when he doesn't have time to throw. The biggest difference in the team is the poor play of the OL. At least last year he could run when he couldn't find a receiver , he doesn't even have a pocket to run from this year. -
Ok, he can't be any worse at bat than Engel and Cordell
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I agree with this. I actually suggested this maybe a month ago. Didn't seem like many others liked the idea at the time. I suspect Tim would be very good in right field. A lot of his problems at shortstop seem to be his throwing. He like to fling the ball off balanced to first. On rush plays I get it, but he also does it sometimes when he has plenty of time to plant and throw, but he chooses not to. The great thing is, if they decided to go that route, they could have him start to work on it in the off-season and then would have the full spring training as well. I think a move like this would bring a tremendous team defensive improvement. TIm would probably play a good RF/CF, and you'd likely get far better defense at shortstop as well.
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Some of the math heads have figured it's $65M with arb., pre arb., and Abreu . Grandal and Moustakas are both LH power bats. Together they can give you 60 HR's play catcher, DH, 1st, 2nd and 3rd base and together they might cost the same as JDM's AAV which might be around $35M . That just sounds better to be covering 5 different positions in a pinch, more HR's, same salary and left handed. Plus you don't lose any defense like you do having to play JDM in the OF in the World Series or interleague games in NL parks. Those games could matter when it comes to winning a division or just making the playoffs. They are also both younger than JDM and out WARed JDM last year and both might take less years in their contracts As far as where the money goes , you were already off by $15M on the starting point and if there is anything left over you don't have to waste assets trading for a 1 year rental like Pederson and hoping to resign him . I think that's a terrible plan and more speculative than signing Grandal and Moustakas. Just wait a year , what's wrong with waiting ? If you wait a year you save a bunch of years on the guys it takes to trade for him. If there is money left over than you can sign him as a FA or Springer or even Betts in 2021.
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This is exactly what I was thinking
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That would have worked out perfectly had Bogaerts stayed on the market. Gregorious...due to his age, well, you're moving a kid in the prime of his career for a veteran, but the other reason to do this would be to move Robert to RF and prevent some of the wear and tear he'd be taking playing CF. Haven't seen how Gregorious rates defensively...this year, he's missed most of the year. What were his ratings/rankings in 2017 and 2018.
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One of the biggest keys to the Astros success was the success of Springer, Correa, and Bregman. For the White Sox, equivalents would be Collins, Madrigal, Vaughn (which says nothing of Robert). I think at least Robert, Madrigal, and Vaughn have to develop into core pieces for this rebuild to work. If they don't, they'll probably be scrapping this rebuild in a few years as well.
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This is what I'm referring to. The idea is intriguing. There's no denying that. This is a move that could pay bigtime dividends.
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Yes, it's possible that area of centerfield that actually was on fire at one point might have provided danger to the centerfielders and if players were finding record bits weeks later as somebody on here wrote, then there probably was reason to make the Sox forfeit Game Two. However again, by the time the announcers said goodbye, the Sox brass and cops had done a nice job of making things safe. Think about all those fans who had to be cleared from the neighborhood. Again, in a sign of the times, I think if that happened say, this past summer on a muggy night, I think there would have been a lot of injuries. Depending on the mood of the mob, maybe some deaths as in turning over cars, etc.
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'''NFL Thread '2019-'2020 THIS IS ''''THE BEARS' YEAR!
Soxbadger replied to southsider2k5's topic in A and J's Olde Tyme Sports Pub
The strange part of all of this, is that Nagy seems to have no plan. Ive seen teams with bad lines before figure out ways to make things happen. But for a coach who is supposed to be an offensive guy, he really just lets the offense stagnate. Bubble screen to Cohen? Screen passes? Fly sweeps? These are all the type of things that are done to take advantage of the defense when they are getting up field to fast. Another problem is that Trubisky is completely adverse to check downs. Many times there are rbs who can get 5 yard passes and he goes downfield. Its a hard team to watch on offense right now, and it starts at the top. -
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Jack Parkman replied to southsider2k5's topic in A and J's Olde Tyme Sports Pub
Josh Allen had a meh day against the Dolphins. They're the only team that could make him look semi-competent. A lot of young QBs are getting exposed recently, especially Goff and Wentz. Neither are anywhere close to the Franchise QBs that they're cracked up to be. Even Mahomes and Watson aren't as good as they were in 2018. -
Tim Anderson has the ability to make some plays at SS that I'm sure even Omar Vizquel is impressed with but he also makes a lot of errors. What if this doesn't improve? He did lead the league in errors in 2019 and only played in 123 games. At what point would a change in position be considered? I know the White Sox front office thought about moving TA to CF last year to give Manny Machado his choice of 3B or SS. Instead of trying to find a RF in a down year for free agents at that position what if the Sox moved TA to CF or RF and signed someone like Didi Gregorius to play SS? That seems like it could be a better option defensively and maybe also offensively than signing a player like Ozuna to me.
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No, 2nd generation as in trading guys from the 1st generation of the rebuild for more prospects. I don't mean a generation as in 1 year. It's which rebuild they were part of.
