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I don’t care what anyone says, Lopez is a badass mothefucker. He battled to get through that shit with minimum damage and you can still see how pissed he is to have given up those two runs. Love this kid.

You have owned this thread.

Gavin no longer Sheets the bed!

He just mumbles that fan support sucks and then walks back to dugout

Your wish is my command.

Not so much comparing. Just showing that these are teams that went through lengthy rebuilds and an angry fanbase during those years. Hahn had a mess that was left for him to clean up. The years of retooling on the fly, horrible draft scouting and draft signings left him almost nothing to build from in the minors. If it wasn't for Hahn getting Sale, Q and Eaton signed to extremely team friendly contracts this team would be even more fucked than they currently are.

Hate comparing front offices of Cubs and Astros with Hahn and company. Theo and Luhnow. Those two came to their current organizations highly accomplished with Boston/StL. Meanwhile Hahn has been less than impressive during his tenure with the Sox. He's done nothing to illustrate he knows how to build a contender.

"Brah" just looks wrong. No one says "Brahs before hoes," do they? And where does "brah" come from anyway? That said, I could give not a whit about them "playing shitty baseball" right now. And yes, we all know its a rebuild. IMHO, these points do not need to be mentioned, because we all already know these things, so they're not all that cogent to a discussion. But it has been a decade since the last division winner, and it has been 17 years since Aaron Rowand came up through the system, and became the last regularly-productive position player to come up from the system that I can remember off the top of my head. [Sure, there was Avi's BaBIP-fuelled lucky 2017, and Beckham's lucky rookie season, but no regularly-productive types of note that I can remember.] We as a fandom have been more than patient with this front office. The fastest way to get to winning again is to stop doing stupid things as an organization. You know, make good decisions, instead of bad ones. If Moncada busts [not saying that he is], it sets this org back by years, IMO. And if they can't get someone as talented as Moncada to be better than a .692 OPS, who CAN they turn into a productive player? But hey, if you like it, cool. YMMV.

No, not mad, "brah." [BTW milennials, why is it "brah," rather than "bro?" The former reads like the chest restrictive device that women wear, while the latter looks more correct to me...] Full apologies for being a fan. And, you know, for being sick of the cavalcade of failure that is this front office. And no, no one's "b****ing whining and complaining," just pointing out this Front Office's failure. You may like that they've turned a HOF SP in Chris Sale into a walk machine in Kopech and a K machine in Moncada, but for my favorite team, I'd prefer that they stop doing stupid shit. Beyond the stupid rushing of Moncada, one has to ask what they teach in the system. After all, Moncada's .149 BA as a RHH may be cool for you, but I'm pretty sure we can find a few fat slobs in the stands to be as equally [in]effective as he is. And seeing Collins have to "fix himself" by disregarding any coaching he got makes me doubt that they have any idea of what they're doing. But again, YMMV.

Mental error. He seems surprised how good MLB players are from time to time. You see the same thing when he doesn't realize how fast the runner is going to 1st when he fields. This dude is still really raw in a lot of ways, mentally and physically. I'm starting to wonder what good Rick and Jose are doing as leaders because it's clear that something isn't getting through to him about how you have to play full speed all the time, or at least 99% of the time.

I can confidently say those are the three worst consecutive posts from a single poster in Soxtalk history. Can’t tell if the poster is high on meth or just really struggling to be funny. Either way, this type of garbage is ruining the overall quality of the board.

It was the same way with the cubs rebuild. The dumb meatball fans who thoroughly oppose the rebuild will keep whining during the rebuild and then jump in the bandwagon when the team is good.

I shouldn't bite but I guess I will: Man this team has taken a dive in quality testing fans' patience since they entered the tank/rebuild.

Wins are few and far between so I try to enjoy them when they happen. Here's the box score for those that missed it. https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-rangers/2018/07/01/530655#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=530655

Living in Florida I watch just about every Rays game. This past off-season the FO surprised everybody down here by trading or not re-signing a bunch of players who were damn good last year, Longoria, Dickerson, Morrison, Souza, Cobb and a few others. I thought that the FO was throwing in the towel on a new stadium and would piss off the fan base and attendance would be so bad that 5,000 would be an nice crowd and would pave the way for a move to another city. Well lo and behold the new guys are playing some really good ball with guys like Duffy, Ramos, Bauers and Snell leading the way. Swept the Yankees last week and just took 2 of 3 from the Astros. They are fun to watch and play sound fundamental ball, not like another team I happen to follow. They actually remind of the team of my youth, the GO-GO SOX OF THE 50s and 60s.

I understand where you are coming from and there is some truth in your comment but JR isn't selling. He didn't sell yesterday, he isn't today and he's not tomorrow. Just not happening and he's not going to fire the baseball side of his front office like John Allyn did in September 1970. He probably should, but he won't. As Kenny said many time. "it is what it is..." All we can do is hope it works out.

I'd let Abreu mentor him some more or even Big Hurt have a conversation or two with him. Big Hurt actually should be our hitting coach if he'd do it. The man could draw a base on balls and when he swung he hurt the ball quite often.

Not trying to start a fight, but with our initial taste of our prospects not a positive one (relax I like Moncada and Timmy and El-Rey, but they are here and proven to be human) Greg is demanding a Sox WS team anchored by Avi and Abreu. It could happen folks and it should happen. For those of you who think they should not be anchors of our WS teams coming up, I am just speechless. Think about it then respond please. Think of INTANGIBLES as well as tangibles (which they are good at too). We could have one of the most close-knit clubs in history if those 2 guys are allowed to lead us into the greatness years. Why am I the only one to see it. To you who don't post much, also give your takes! Thank u.

This is very true. There is no way every major prospect can flame out, can they? I don't think it is going to go down that way, but it would be a very White Sox occurrence for them to get zero stars and only a few average players out of this whole thing. Hahn/KW's player evaluation is very suspect, to say the least.

All is lost, we might as well shut down Sox park and they will never win more than 70 games again. Find something else to do with your time and energy. There. You happy?

Delete this thread as it is a jinx. Both Robert and Eloy injured since it was posted.

Sounds like kind of an ass if you ask me.

Moncada's OPS against LHP is in the low .400s...

I know 3, Greg, WBWSF, and Two-Gun Pete. LOL. Whenever the Sox lose, remind ourselves that 4 wins in 2014 was the difference between Benintendi and Fulmer.

Nice recovery by Fry. Man he's gonna be a nice guy to have in our pen for the next 6 years

Love watching good Avi. Before there was Timmy and Yoan to follow their at bats religiously, there was Avi

That last at-bat was like watching a public execution of a loved one. You knew after the first pitch how that at-bat was ending.

Gavdog Millionaire seems to have heard the criticism from soxtalk a few days ago and proceeded to raise his OPS by about 70 points in 3 games. Yeah buddy.

Gavin Sheets is really on a tear!!! Let's hope that he has really figured it out. He could be a big part of this rebuild. Do I have to say it? Shhhh..... A left handed, middle of the order bat.

When I said bruh I was mocking it. Honestly I don't where the hell it came from I don't disagree with you that's it's been forever that the Sox have relevant. I was tired of all the failures in drafting and free agent signings as well. For me it all changed when Hahn was put in charge of this rebuild and when the Sox revamped their scouts and coaches. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and so far I like what they've done in scouting, drafting and the trade returns. Still think the coaching leaves something to be desired, well alot to be desired really.

Ha ha, I'm far from being a millennial ( fan since 83). I'll keep this short and sweet. It's a rebuild and these are the things that happen during a rebuild ( see Astros and cubs). Young players struggling at the MLB level is nothing new to the game of baseball. Rebuilding teams playing shitty baseball is nothing new. Front office failures happen to every team. It's out of the fans control so fans can accept it, continue to whine about it or find another team to follow. You think this is bad now? Most of the Sox talent is still in the minors and will be coming up over the next two or three seasons and will go through the same thing we're seeing now. Better find a way of getting used to this because you'll be seeing more of it over the next few years. Welcome to the rebuild.

I saw him last year. It was really good. I would go again if he came back. I've been listening to Animals a lot lately.

FTFY

From Sunday's Sun-Times: Manager Rick Renteria said Moncada didn’t go all-out to the plate, thinking Andrus, fielding Jose Abreu’s sharp grounder to his right, was conceding the run and throwing to first. “If you’re asking me if he gave his best effort, no he did not,” Renteria said.

Reddy I think you're wrong. Bernie did way better in places like IA, MI, WI, CO and other states in Middle America. Hillary did better in urban areas with a large minority population. The economic message works better in more rural areas and the social message works better in urban areas. If you can't win a district going "full progressive" so to speak that is a heavily red district anyway and you're not going to change those people's fragile little minds. I'd argue going "full progressive" is the way to win deep purple areas, and the mainstream message is just throwing away purple districts to the GOP.

You also have to hit with your prospects. It would be great if they got that rare impact player like Frank Thomas or Mike Trout. Plus they seem to fear sending a guy back down if they aren't cutting it. It's hard to be all ga-ga over a rebuild when you see the same inconsistencies in this organization. There is no shortage of baseball dumb in this organization. Baseball fundamentals should be innate instead of they aint.

Hey got 6 reputation points out of those. Gotta give him that

another day, another issue Ricky has with him. In no way am I advocating this, but sending him down to AAA as a wake up call seems like something that Ricky would advocate https://mobile.twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/1013291159710502912

In all the years Viciedo was here, no one ever called him Diane. That made me laugh!

Great thread idea Ron! Huge props to you dude!!! I'll comment later on the minors but for the big league club... Yolmer has been fantastic! TA continues to progress defensively, hitting for more power and is walking a lot more. Matt Davidson has been a nice surprise when he's healthy. Daniel Hulk Palka has been a nice surprise as well. When he makes contact he destroys the baseball. Jose Abreu, nuff said. Jace Fry has been spectacular. Despite his occasional struggles I really like what is be seen from Lopez and kudos to him for having the balls to call himself and his teammates out for shitty baseball. Avilan and Cedeno have been solid and fun to watch pitch. Shields has gone from dumpster fire to respectability. Giolito appears to be coming around along with his velocity. Not sure what to make of Covey now that he's come back to earth but he's gone from "why is he on the team?" to " let's see what he can do". Sick movement and velocity on his sinker, yikes. Yoan has shown glimpses of what he's capable of. That's it for now.

I would really hate to see Yolmer traded but if a team makes an offer headlined by a top 75 prospect it would be hard for me to argue against it. And I consider myself to be a pretty big fan of Yolmer.

No way man, Timmy's destiny is the catchers position. 😛

Wait till Timmy gets on the mound

There's no way Boston makes that trade. Now that I've given this some thought if the White Sox packaged Moncada, Giolito and Fulmer together does anybody think the White sox could get anything of worth in return?

The minor league systems are looking very promising. I don't get how people can't be slightly optimistic about what they have you going down there. Big time outfield and infield depth, ace potential starters + solid back and starters, and some big time relief prospects.

What a terrible post, but par for the course I guess.

WTF happened to Quintana since the calendar hit 2017? Seems like a completely different guy that he was from 2012-16 with the Sox. The Sox are so incredibly lucky to have acquired Eloy and Cease for him. It seems ridiculous in retrospect.

At least we can’t trade him for James Shields if we end up signing him.