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Media in 2018: Red Sox master negotiators in timid market, made a great deal for JD Martinez and acquired him cheap. Smart business! Media in 2019: Absolutely disgusting franchise called the Chicago White Sox, second team in the second city, make ludicrously low offer to Manny. There needs to be a strike. Yankees please make an offer so he doesn't go to such gross unmarketable team.

LOL 👌

I say it's consistent with just about everything they've put out over the last two months. Both Olney & Nightengale have been drumming down the idea of the Sox spending some exorbitant (or even FMV) amount of money for Harper/Machado. Has nothing changed since then? Is is the same source providing this detail? The amount of suitors in it for Manny is alarmingly low if you're Lozano. I am just spitballing but this leak is either from Lozano with the intention of inviting teams back in as the price may not be as high as one would think. The other side is this is a Sox leak trying to paint the market for MM/Lozano to be bleak as the team supposedly leading the way has a pretty underwhelming offer. To me, it calls to question what Phili did this last week. Why weren't the Sox pressured to increase their offer as a result of Phili? Did Phili not beat our offer? Did they not extend an offer? In any case, you cannot live and die by individual media reports. They have been a roller coaster. The Sox are all about patience with this process. There has been a "guarded optimism" for a few weeks now and that hasn't changed with the media being all over the place. That doesn't concern me. What concerns me is the fact that we're not Machado's preferred high bidder. The bottom line is, the Sox know they need to convert here (whether we are speaking to Harper or MM).They are willing to spend a lot. I think they'll surprise many. At the same time, and given JR's involvement specifically, they are very much focused on not spending a dollar more than they have to. As it absolutely should be. We will see what Phili drums up and they're the linchpin in the sweepstakes, but it doesn't seem the Sox have been pushed to increase their offer into the mid-higher range of what they're willing to spend. Sox will not bid against themselves.

Allright, here is my no sauces take that I think many of you might like. **NO SAUCES** 7/$175 may have be an original offer, but it is definitely not what is out there now. Lozano is a businessman and Machado is one of his star clients. If he wants to keep getting big name clients, he needs to show results. Machado is close to signing a MUCH bigger deal, but much less than the 10 year $350 etc. So what can Lozano do to make sure he looks good? Let people know just how much he got people to increase offers. Lozano looks like a bad agent if he took a client worth $350 and only got him $275. But Lozano looks like a great agent if he can say "I took offers from $175 and got them up to $275." So that is my no sauces take for the day. The offers are significantly higher, but Lozano is now trying to control expectations.

Lmao only soxtalk would look at this and blame the Sox

I’m sure this exchange has been posted already but here it is again...

I dunno. I can guarantee you it wasn’t Lozano admonishing two reporters by name and borderline accusing them for tampering/negotiating through the media because he was the source feeding them the information to begin with. I also don’t believe he’s admonishing the Sox here. The risk of alienating them by calling them out publicly is too great. This was a response the the SI article that was published. Clearly that angered the Sox FO and they let Lozano hear about it. My guess is they threatened to withdrawal entirely. Thus the strong admonishment of two reporters in particular. This could have been handled in a much more benign fashion but clearly was instead intended to be a harsh rebuke of leaks that were hurting his client as well as the Sox’ reputation. My guess is the leak came from Philly.

Dude, are you gonna hurl?

Deadspin should have an article about how much of a sleaze Deadspin is.

I think I figured it out. Has anyone tweeted at Manny to see how many retweets it would take for him to sign here?

Please stop. This is beyond amateur hour “insider” trolling.

I fucking hate this and wish I had the self-control to stop checking.

In unrelated news to break the spiraling into madness, Ian Clarkin got claimed by the Cubs. Again.

And then what does that call sound like? Padres: Hey Lozano, I heard the highest offer is for only $25 million per year. We'd like to enter the bidding. Lozano: Actually, another team is willing to go 8 for $250 right now. Can you beat that? Padres: No Lozano: Ok, bye.

Listen, the player could have a life changing meeting experience with the perfect club offering the perfect scenario including multi-generational wealth for countless lifetimes. A deal of this magnitude and complexity still takes weeks to consummate even for the most astute negotiators.

The Sox were never serious about a Machado pursual. It's time to get rid of Rick Hahn. He sucks

Speak of the devil! HA!

Remember there are big egos involved here between Lozano and Boras. I’ve said that before. Who benefits the most from such a low offer? Scott Boras right? He and Lozano had a nasty break up in business and they both are competing for a finite market right now. Pure speculation but sure seems logical.

I would like to get off the ride now please

OH GOD

New to this chat but strongly feel this: Rick Hahn, Kenny Williams, and JR are not idiots, Rick and Kenny have been planning on making this move for the last 2 years or else they wouldn’t have gone through this rebuild. If a team outbids the Sox’s $175 mil offer, cool then add more to your offer which I know they will do. The Sox are sitting very pretty and a lot of that has to do with not only the offer but Alonso and Jay being on the team. The Sox are going to get a deal done because they want him badly but are not going to outbid themselves. The Yankees talk is BS and the Manny doesn’t want to go to Philly neither does Bryce but slim pickings.

No one gives a rat's ass about the fans. Fans have no influence in the process whatsoever.

Passan definitely has an important "in" with Sox front office too.

The White Sox offer to Manny Machado is to be an unpaid intern for 10 years and then after that he will get the league minimum.

Earlier today Buster Olney tweeted that the White Sox have made a 7 year, $175 million offer to Machado, and the article made the #2 story on ESPN.com when I looked earlier. There were the usual patterings back and forth of people challenging twitter sources for the morning and saying that made no sense... Then Machado's agent, Dan Lazano, unleashed this tweet and press release saying that someone in MLB was potentially violating the collective bargaining agreement by attempting to negotiate through the media (read full statement at tweet) https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/1085655770857799680. That was then followed by more twitter shenanigoats including Levine saying the 7/175 note was right but that they were sneaking around that with deferred money and Heyman saying nonsense, and Levine also making a pretty silly sounding appearance on the radio. The big deal is the Lazano tweet, as we have no idea who he's targeting, whether it's us or not, whether it actually affects anything, or what it means about the negotiations, but it seems like he's pissed at someone in MLB and it seems he has a right to be.

It’s clear Machado is using the Sox as a pawn.

Holy crap @Y2Jimmy0 is right, after this interview 670 needs a new baseball insider

As soon as Bruce said that deferred money improves Net Present Value...he should have deactivated his account

I'm listening to the bruce interview so y'all dont have to

Everyone calm down, there is no way that statement was a shot at the White Sox. It does not read that way at all, and there is no way the 7 years 175 million leak came from the Sox as it is not beneficial to the White Sox in any way. Looking at national boards like r/baseball not a single person there is claiming or thinks it a shot at Sox either.

That's what I think it is. Really, why would the team leak that their offer was garbage? What benefit would it have to them?

Fascinating stuff. But in the end, this has no effect on the Sox' chances either way. All noise.

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I have a hard time buying that the Sox view Pujols and Machado similarly. Machado is way younger reaching free agency and has much more defensive value. The comp makes no sense.

Jesus Christ ESPN

Another idiot tweeter who doesn't understand negotiations.What about the other teams that we don't even see an offer from ? If it's ludicrously low show me a better one. Whatever happened to the days when as fans we couldn't relate to these monstrously high salaries that now we call $175M "ludicously low" ?

Everyone can sleep well knowing that this now done.

This is Lozano's last stand. Hold firm guys...

It would be the most White Sox thing ever for there to be another strike right when the team is hitting their stride.

I will pass the message to JR

Bruce Levine: sources tell me the offer is closer to 100 million than 150 million

If that's true, they wouldn't still be in it.

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The definition of insanity is how often I check this thread for something new but all I find is the exact same info from the previous day.

Basically someone who deals with the numbers of the contract. Not saying who but there are whispers that this was their plan all along. Supposedly they knew they had a really good grasp on Manny so they went hard at Harper at the beginning and let the Phillies spend more time on Manny and focus less on Harper. Now the Phillies are playing catch up. Possible endgame is Manny, Harper and a pitcher