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Harper would have paid for himself and then some in no time. Jerry Reinsdorf is too much of an idiot to realize that though.

Yeah Rodon is our ace and a guy we are concerned about keeping. Most good teams view him as a 3 or 4. This staff is ass in a hand basket.

Yeah, this isn't a sign of things to come by any means. Their pitching is surely going to be a team strength this year. What a crock. It is indicative of what's to come. The staff sucks and the bullpen is slightly improved. The team isn't playing like they are sick; they're playing like a team that sucks, which they do.

Banuelos looks like he will fit in perfectly with this crappy staff

Collins, Eloy, and Yonder all in the lineup today. It's my lucky day

You're an embarrassment. This is the most little dicked thing I've ever heard. The White Sox are more important to this city than Manny Machado or Jerry Reinsdorf. If you look in your heart and feel no affection for what being a Sox fan in this city means, then we're better off without you.

I agree with Jack Parkman. The fan-blaming has to stop. It has been going on for decades and there is no proof it helps the situation any. In fact, there is plenty of indication that it hurts the franchise as a whole. I am a fan, and want to remain one, but I also would like the team to do things that instill confidence. Instead, many times I am left shaking my head. There needs to be real improvement in 2019. It has to show in the record, and it has to show in the development of young players. The team just can't say it is rebuilding. If you want fan loyalty, you have to do something to earn it.

MF writing the lineup like he's introducing the Bill of Rights

Everytime I think of this off season it still makes my blood boil.

Oh, you're one of those.

1B; Who 2B: What 3B: I don't know LF: Why CF: Because Pitcher: Tomorrow C : Today SS: I don't give a darn. http://www.baseball-almanac.com/humor4.shtml Thanks to Abbott and Costello if you don't know wtf I'm doing.

Calisoxfan --- Pollyanna 2.0 -- I'll be okay soon, but right now I don't want logic; I wanna complain. So, I will continue to do so, and I'm doing to you what your profile picture is doing.

If (maybe) winning 70 games passes as "enjoyment" for you then I admire your definition of the word. Not trying to be sarcastic but when you've had the past 12 years like the Sox have which by and large have been awful, its hard to find enjoyment in the game...maybe in some individual performances, but the object is to win, that's why they keep score and the Sox have been brutally bad at winning. Doesn't mean I'm going to give up on them before anybody spits that nonsense out, I was born and raised in Chicago, I'm a Sox fan and I'll stay a Sox fan but this season is going to be pretty rough once again and we shouldn't delude ourselves otherwise.

All games, including the regular season are entertainment only.

Yes, nobody is ever allowed to get better. That is what I keep hearing from everyone here. A player gets to the Majors and he already is what he is. You can never improve, you can never get better at anything. Good to know. We're all doomed. It's fine to be skeptical but to say nobody can improve defies all logic. Shit has really hit the fan here. It is getting to the point where rational discussion is no longer possible.

Good to see everyone is handling bad performances by players on the fringe of the roster well.

Guys, spring training results really don’t matter that much, especially for pitchers. The staff will likely be garbage but a rough March start in Arizona has very little bearing on that.

Yeah im trying to figure it out too...seems like hes been around forever and he hasn't ever really done anything

What a thread

I know it's only Spring Training, but can they find someone to get a few outs? Geez. This is embarrassing.

So you think you're too intelligent for your own good? You actually think that? Jesus Christ, dude. I'm gonna leave this thread now.

When your employer just wants to employ yes-men and yes-women and there's no pressure on you as long as you tell them the person above you is great, the job is great until the employer goes out of business.

They did not sell high on him. Colome is paid more than a comparable reliever would be paid if signed as a free agent. If they did not believe in Narvaez and wanted a reliever, they would have been better off releasing Narvaez for nothing and signing a reliever. They took on payroll to remove Narvaez. They sold him at a value of negative several million dollars.

I really hope that they're not going to just give it to Santana. Really, why give to Santana over Banuelos or even Covey? What's the logic behind that?

I am really glad you still choose to talk baseball. Your insights are valuable to a board that is hurt but most still fails to see hope looking through the fire in their eyes or just plain lack of knowledge. I get just as discouraged about posters lack of knowledge of the game as I do about the Sox owner and FO. Every time I challenge someone to give me a better cheaper innings eater than Nova when they complain about his salary all I get is a list of injured pitchers in 2018. It's like wow isn't the definition of an innings eater kind of self explanatory ? They can't even comprehend why a recently injured pitcher isn't an innings eater or why an innings eater helps the other starters and bullpen. I know Nova isn't guaranteed to be healthy in 2019 but his last 3 years of consistently eating innings and staying healthy provides a higher degree of certainty .

Absolutely nothing wrong with loyalty especially in this day and age, but loyalty WITHOUT ACCOUNTABILITY brings you the issues you see with the White Sox. Professional sports is a results business, people are judged on that, for better or worse, that's the reality of things. The "results" of the White Sox have been far less than satisfactory wouldn't you agree? Shouldn't the people in charge who are being well paid have some measure of accountability in that?

1. I agree Anderson’s ceiling is limited due to a lack of plate discipline, but his defense is much better than you give him credit for. I think he ultimately settles in as a 2.5 to 3 win player and given his contract that’s fine. Also, Tatis had nothing to do with Anderson. 2. I think me and you are watching completely different players when it comes to Moncada. If the dude can be a little bit more aggressive in his approach he’s an easy 3 to 4 win player to me with the upside for much more. You can talk about production but the kid was only 23 years old last year...give him some time. 3. Let’a not compare Luis Gonzalez to Fernando Tatis Jr because there is no comparison whatsoever there.

Maybe that signing would have changed things . Who knows we can't predict the future . Maybe they sign Corbin or Keuchel or Happ or Eovaldi. Maybe Pollock I know you had it in your head just how the rebuild should go and the Sox were pretty much following your script until it blew up in all our faces. Sucks to be wrong. Sucks to trust someone and then be let down but we always knew the whales were a long shot deep down in our hearts. Also not wasted if he was traded to add a good prospect or 2 which you ignored.

Ignorance that's what it is.... Just classless ignorance. We didn't get machado MOVE ON! It ain't Jays fault. Jay ain't a bad player. He knows his role he does what's asked from him. Maybe the sox gave him a lil more money than they should. But that ain't Jays fault. I've seen the sox trot worse players out there. Leave jay along and please cut the crap about booing its getting old and tiresome

I don't get people booing Jay. Pretty immature. Boo him even when he hits a 2 run HR just bc we did not get Machado?

Vaughn is hitting "out of his mind". In the first 9 games, look at his stat line: AVG OPS GP. AB. R. H 2B 3B HR RBI TB SLG BB HBP SO GDP OBP 500 1.700 9-9 30 11 15 1 0 5 13 31 1.033 15 0 5 0 .667 What stands out the most is the 15 walks versus 5 strike outs and the 5 home runs.15 hits and 15 walks in his first 45 plate appearances. Just insane. He may be off the board, with the first pick, at this rate. I know, it's early and he's a first baseman, yada, yada, yada. But, that kind of bat is hard to pass up, especially for a good defensive player, at any position. He will obviously slow down, at some point, No one can hit like that, consistently. Nevertheless, it certainly does appear that last year was no fluke. Although, Rutschman isn't far behind, in his early performance. His numbers are almost as good: AVG .400 OBP .595 SLG .920 OPS 1.515 12 WALKS 5 STRIKE OUTS & 4 HOMERS So far, in the early going, Rutschman and Vaughn are the top 2 picks. I don't know about the rest of the class, but it's a shame that we're picking third, instead of 2ND.

Rick Hahn is terrible at his job. That's really just the bottom line. Well, that an the entire front office being a dumpster fire, owner included.

A bunch of us agree give Rondon some PT please.

Really interesting Abrams discussion. I really like all the profiles of the top four to date. Would be happy with Witt, Abrams Vaughn or Adley obviously. if Misner keeps up you have a nice option of getting a power plus bat, well rounded catcher, two prep shortstops with power, and a top college hitter that can stick in CF. That’s a nice group.

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I just watched that Machado guy make his Spring debut and he popped out. He’s a bust

How did you like the 100 instances of “baseball” last summer where the Sox’ opponent scored more runs than they did?

Ok, I need to get something out that popped into my head while driving around today and this seems to be the best place to post it. When the White Sox went after Luis Robert they did what they had to do to pay what was necessary to land him. I commend them for that, Robert is a true multi tool player who could be phenomenal. The thing is he is a young international player, players who will always have an inherent risk of turning into not much at all. Look at all the detractors on Moncada and he was somewhat seen as a can't miss player (For the record, I do think Moncada will have a nice career but I digress). The Sox were willing to invest in Robert as well as paying extra with the penalty...but they are not willing to pay the going rate for 26 year old top free agents, one of which is an absolute marketable superstar who could change the face of the ballclub? I am sorry, I just do not understand that. Oh, and once again...Kenny just shut up!!!

I don't disagree with you, CWS. They have their logic backward. It should be: "If we build it, they will come" but instead it is "If they come, we MIGHT build it" which is unacceptable. The fan blaming has to stop. They need to take a look in the mirror.

I'm ready to mercilessly boo Jay out here

Your NBA input is simply trash. No other way to put it.

I heard the Score guys call Kenny/Hahn "KennyHahn-a" kind of like the restaurant Benihana.

I think if I had posted Harper would get $330M but only an AAV of $25M I would have got 10 laughing emojis.

Love how some just wanna dump moncada.... What are they gonna say bout eloy when he struggles

Ichiro was gone in 2012. Walker and Haniger were traded for each other before the 2017 season. None of the timelines line up the way you presented them. It's just a random collection of names.

I think this could be the worst opening day OF in MLB history lol

God that team is terrible. Might even be worse than last year if it's even possible.

Moncada was more highly regarded that Eloy ever has been, what, 12 months ago? I understand the consternation, but come on.

I've thought about this a lot. Here is my analysis: - Paxson and Gar have to be held to a higher standard because they took over one of the best sports brands in the world, have a loyal and adoring fan base, and a big market which makes it a lot easier to compete for talent in FA. - Because of their inherent advantages, I rate them in the bottom half of front offices due to the: - Lack of creativity - are never in play for big acquisitions because they both fall in love with their assets and are too timid to send out what it takes - Refusal to spend/go for it, by the time they dipped into the luxury tax, it was the end of their core, and they used it for an end of career pau gasol. THey have one of the smallest front offices in the league, and consistently leave cap open but have same issue as hahn where they overpay on the end of the roster and restrict bigger moves. - Antagonistic relationships with players and coaches - between the medical mismanagement, throwing coaches under the bus, and physical altercations, they've gotten away with things nobody should HOWEVER - The absolute strength of garpax is good drafting, and if I had to choose between the two I'd take that strength over the lack of any strength on the KW/Hahn side. KENHAN: - For Kenny Williams first decade, he oversaw one of the better pro scouting departments in the game in my opinion. That ended as the age curve progressed and cheap veterans via trade and free agency became terrible investments. - Clearly the best way to succeed in baseball is draft/player dev/international scouting. They have been in the bottom 5 in baseball over last 20 years (generously). - They run their team as if they are setting up to be the illitch tigers, when they should be running it as the cleveland baseball team, rays, or modern twins. Meaning, they operate as if they believe their financial advantages define their team building, but are unrealistic about what it means (constant disadvantage to actual big market teams), while neglecting the ways that small market teams have succeeded. The last point is inexcusable. The thing to emphasize is they are both bad. But despite the "rebuild on the fly" failure of 2014-15-16 of hahn, he said when he took over sox were going to start building up farm. The CBA changed to the white sox favor there. The draft position was more favorable. International free agency became more favorable to white sox. Everything bent toward making it easier for him to operate under Reinsdorf constraints yet still only improved marginally. Nobody is reading at this point anyway. Hi! if you made it this far.

Oh god. I need to stop clicking anything but game threads on this site. The cancer is spreading.