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Zero tools? Do you actually understand what tools are? And JFC, he’s a former HS pick (a raw one no less) who has less than 600 professional at-bats. It should surprise no one his results have been poor so far. That being said, this idea that he can’t get better is just plain stupid.

Adolfo has a much better chance of being a big leaguer than Rutherford. Same with Basabe.

We're complaining about a 20% K-rate now for a guy slugging 1000? What exactly are the standards around here? Joe DiMaggio? I mean, Trout's K-rate is usually around 25%. Is he bad?

16 RBI for Yoán Moncada is most by a White Sox player through the team's first 16 games of a season since Joe Crede (18) in 2008

Moncada should get it more.

I like that "go zone" graphic, one of the few actually useful additions to the broadcast.

Jack. Cool it on the Giolito hype for a night. We get it.

I had said I would cut back on my games attended. It's 65, sunny, the teams playing wellish, and tickets were 4 bucks. I am weak.

This is the best part about everything in regards to Moncada... the adjustments that pitchers will make are ones he can easily handle because he has an elite batting eye. So now a pitcher may say he's being more aggressive early, let's not attack him so much early... and Yoan will take those pitches, get ahead in the count, and increase his production that way. His eye is still a strength and still exists, he's just using it differently now.

You may have an argument but it's not happening. If everyone takes a look at the split of McCann and Castillo starting behind the plate you'll notice that McCann always catches Rodon and Giolito. That's by design and not going to change. Rodon's "camp" - we'll say - has been very vocal in the past about the lack of quality catching on the MLB roster.

Yea the beauty with 5 tool guys like Yoan is that the path from 2 WAR to 4 and higher is with marginal improvement. If he can just marginally improve his contact rate he'll be a star.

I know it is a small sample size, but again his LD% is at 25.7% currently. The notion that all he does is have weak contact hits is complete bullshit spewed by people who don't like his profile, or that the Sox took him at #4 in the draft.

Robert should be on the super fast track. Either AA or AAA can be bypassed. There is no good reason for not moving him now.

The fact that Moncada and Anderson are leading the charge of this good play is very encouraging. Giolito has had 1.5 good starts out of 3. Lopez had a great start today and Rodon has been pretty good in all 3 of his. Eloy doesn't look overmatched in his first 3+ weeks. Also, the young guys seem to be having a lot of fun..Eloy fits in the clubhouse well. Positive vibes.

YoYo for President 2020

Seems kinda dumb. What if we need him tomorrow in an actual save situation

What took so long? The kid is 21 years old and doesn’t even have a full season of at-bats under his belt. Most people would give him some time to actually develop, but obviously all you need is one metric and a SSS to write a kid with legit tools off.

The only percentages allowed in this thread are k rate! We laugh at prospects injuries and ridicule them for their k rate. It’s a fun thread.

Hmmm. Interesting. I was going to make the case that he is hitting more flyballs, but he actually hit LESS flyballs than in Miami. My guess is ballpark change and the juiced balls. But seriously, who hits 2% less flyballs and has a 28 home run increase? That almost seems impossible.

Guys like Yelich profit the most from the juiced ball. He shouldn‘t be a 40HR guy. Just like Lindor and Jose Ramirez.

104 pitches 63 fastballs, averaging 95mph, 12 called strikes and 4 swinging strikes 20 sliders, averaging 83, 1 called and 5 swinging strikes 20 changeups, averaging 83, 4 called and 4 swinging strikes 1 73mph curveball

He hung it and he hurt it!! God I miss good Hawk

Ya got me, Jack. I do think Yolmer sucks and always has, and I think this board is far too hyped up on prospects who will never make a significant impact in MLB (Basabe, Adolfo, Lambert, Stiever, Curbelo, Rivera, Nunez, Bush, Pilkington, etc). However, due to solid hit tools, I do have high hopes for Madrigal, LGon, and Blake.

Too bad we wouldn't dare overpay for a veteran

Well I think Adam Engel has much more upside as a hitter although I'm not sure which one is currently better. But yes as you say, the upside with the glove isn't really there for Tilson.

Moncada is such a beast.. what a turn around for him!

No, but likewise. Kid had his career at a crossroads cuz of that injury. Rooting for him to make it back.

We didn’t need Harper cuz we had Palka targeted for RF.

Jose is toast

The White Sox are going to improve a player the Red Sox could not? That's pretty laughable. They all suck, who really cares about any of them?

I think you are discrediting what the Sox gave out. Frazier while was awful in BA still brought his value to the team, which is often overlooked due to his low BA as I mentioned. He had 5 bWAR in his year and half in his time with the Sox and over $15M in salary, pretty good surplus value if you want to use that measurement. While I was and still am realistic that no team was willing to pay a premium for his surplus value, to say that he was worthless is an overblown statement. His time with yankees? 1.6 bWAR on $5M salary. Robertson meanwhile did not provide much in the means of surplus value, but teams are willing to give up a valuable piece (B or B+ prospects) for a player who could close or pitch in high leverage. Kahnle had a good run with Sox and shown no signs of slowing down at the time. He could have been more valuable in the off season given 100 innings of track record of being an effective high leverage option. Also high sight is 20/20, but had he stayed with Sox in 2018, there is good chance he could have continued his success, given he could continue to work with Coop, and pitching in front of Sox crowd is a lot different than Yankees crowd in late game situation. What could have been was a 1.5+ WAR HL, cost controlled, reliever.

Trades at the deadline are not entirely based on surplus value and saying otherwise is flawed or disengenous.

I bet he ends up on the Rangers.

We have long been linked to him. I'd dfa him for McCann personally.

Believe me, I don't want the FO to approach next year as another tank year, but it's funny how after a win they're going to win 88 games next year and after a loss they won't win 60 this year.

Quality in what way? Kahnle had an ERA near 7 last year, Todd Frazier had a WAR of 1.5. Robertson was quality but there was no surplus value there given his contract. They got a top 100 prospect for two guys who arent good. Also, its April 16th so it's absolutely comical to draw any conclusions on bats or worry about any starts. They'll hit.

As a Catholic, that picture of the crucifix still standing inside the cathedral is powerful.

The new information that arrived later in the offseason was the White Sox crying that they were still poor and couldn't afford to compete with big market teams like the Padres. That should have refocused everyone on the $44 million they wasted. That's the basic budgeting mistake. That's complaining publicly about how they're being foreclosed on for not paying their mortgage while standing in line at Starbucks for their 3rd $5 coffee of the day. One of those was more important than the other, and the White Sox decided it was the fancy coffees.

He's clearly waiting for Avengers Endgame before he powers back up. Palk will smash again! (i hope!)

Won't be too long That being said, I'd rather see Caitlin Jenner start than Ervin Santana here ever again

I do. Not in the playoffs next year but the start of being a competitive team. The additions of kopech and cease alone will change the team. However, my point was that they think that is the beginning of the competitive run.

For the love of god he’s had two bad weeks. Please step back from the edge. He hit 300 last season in high a and is young for the league.

Yep and the right move. I stand by my opinion that when this team is ready to compete (2021), we will be thankful we missed on Machado because we will have more pressing needs in other areas and Machado won’t be performing to the level of a $30M AAV player at that time.

If the price is right I agree we should sign him. Him and Kimbrel. Everybody is mad we didn't sign 2 average hitters in Machado and Harper for outrageous money, when pitching(and defense) wins championships.

I said all offseason when people were freaking out like little school girls at the prospect of getting Harper and/or Machado that this team isn't any good. That we need to have a foundation before we worry about choosing what type of flooring to buy. That stance remains unchanged the number one problem with this franchise is not an inability to spend money it's an inability to judge and develop talent at the minor league level. If anything the one saving grace and what gives us the best chance is moving forward is we don't have a ton of big money contracts on the roster. Whomever comes in afterwards is free to execute their own vision on their timetable. I don't care how much money the owner makes in the nearterm we are all aware this is at best a mid market team and in order for the Whitesox to be successful we need to have numerous guys on their pre-FA contracts play well. Once that happens then lets worry if the Chisox/Jerry aren't spending but until then I don't want Hahn or KW to burden the next regime with a bunch of longterm deals so he can win a bunch of meaningless games in lost seasons

Woof. You must think that's quite the zinger given your repeated use of it. I guess when you can't speak on the topic at hand you gotta keep it personal. Stay classy s2k5.

If Howard wasnt traded, it was entirely possible he got cut before the season started. It was a bad fit from day one. The Bears got a draft pick, Howard found a team that wanted him, everyone is happy. Until Howard runs for 200 against the Bears this year. #revengegame

There's more to this trade than trading for a closer with two years of control. I think Hahn is betting he could get more for Colome next July than he would for Narvaez. Hahn was able to get something for Soria when most of the baseball world didn't think Soria was worth much. If the Sox can help Colome the way they helped Soria, we're going to like the trade package Colome brings back next July.