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I've been gone most of the day, and was actually surprised to see so much complaining after the game. Anyone stirring the pot after a game where Giolito dominated and Eloy provided the only runs really needs to just stop watching for the next year and a half. This is up there with the Astros shutout from Giolito as the best rebuild game of the season.

According to a story at MLB.com and at the Sox web site, he's been given some time off to "get a mental respite." Which is a polite way of saying he sucks and needs to be benched. Better late than never I suppose by the Sox.

Of course it does. The past couple years all I've been doing is fighting with the rebuild/tank lovers who actively rooted for losses so we could get a better draft pick. It hasn't been as bad this year. There's some new board blood that really likes to win. I Love you new people. p.s. I applaud you Gio and Eloy. Wow. Gio is fricking amazing; ditto Eloy.

The single most important stat for a closer is save %. And in that category Colome is a perfect 13/13 this season. I don’t give a shit if a guy strikes out 2 per inning on average and has great advanced stats if he’s blowing 2 out of every 10 save opportunities as the team’s closer. Nothing more demoralizing to a team than blowing 9th inning leads.

I come to just the Gio game thread and I see everyone is crying again for some reason

Giolito now has the second highest fWAR of all pitchers in baseball 😮

FO wasted much of Sale's career (and Quintana's). The offense has been in a ten-year slump.

When it's all set and done, both Machado and Harper will be considered major screw ups also. I actually praise the Sox saved themselves from handcuffing themselves to a financial disaster like that. End result, the 2 positions Machado could play have been filled internally by two guys playing at near Allstar Levels at this point.

LMFAO

Kudos again to McCann for his preparation and calling another great game

2 hours and 20 minutes. Lovely

Giolito is 9-1. He had 10 wins all of last year.

Nice win thanks to Giolito, but this offense needs to pick up. They’ll be facing pitchers much better than Keller!

Herrera warming up?....please no

It's evident that Moncada is making a concerted effort of late to take a lot of his pitches to the opposite field and I love it

Good luck getting a ticket when Jay gets called up.

Gotta hand it to the guy, broke his back and playing through the pain.

Dump him for literally anything

Lost in the excitement of Giolito tossing a gem...the 4 outs needed to end the game came quite painlessly. Bummer and Colome made short work with four up and four down. Nice when the bullpen doesn't make you squirm.

When I was an 18-year-old college freshman, I'd guesstimate that AT LEAST 1/3 (likely more) of my classmates were well in their 20s or 30s. A lot of people serve in the military before going to college... I wish I would've Very few college baseball players get full scholarships. When Gio Gonzalez was drafted in 2004, I believe he had a clause in his contract where the Chicago White Sox would pay for his entire college education if he failed to make the Major Leagues. IMO, that is a HELL of a lot better than getting a PARTIAL scholarship to play baseball in college.

His next 3 starts are against the Yanks, Sawx and Cubs. Huge test.

He's an all star unless he gets hurt. This is spectacular. Whether he starts or not will depend a lot on who is on regular rest when the game hits, but he's our all star.

With all due respect...Jerry Reinsdorf is worth over 1.5 Billion. Do you really think he made that amount of money by being a weak leader. I don't like all the results but to call guys like Reinsdorf lacking the guts to make decisions just isn't reasonable.

Doesn't seem to be bothering them financially though and this year both of those guys are actually producing some positive results. They seem to be willing to take risks, the Sox don't seem willing to do that. So be it. Regarding the game today, the 2019 White Sox MVP is Lucas Giolito's high school pitching coach! Period...end of discussion. He needs to be hired by the Sox and can Cooper. And they finally benched Alonso. Maybe Ricky CAN learn something!

That's a very fair assessment there, but the losing prior to rebuild is what hasn't afforded the team and fans patience. I think that's why many folks are pessimistic and dismissive.

Well, we really won't know the results of the draft until all the prospects get here so that is an unknown at this point. I assume we will see the first product of this rebuild draft in Collins emerge in September. Then the others slowly arrive, and then you have the MLB adjustment period. I won't count Anderson since he isnt a Hostetler-era pick. And with free agency, well, we can all agree last offseason was a shit show but you can't really argue that one yet either. Still a couple more to go, I would say after the next 2 offseasons we can judge whether it was a failure or not. This is the part I probably have the least faith in though with the track record. I think the draft piece is gonna take the longest though, with the development and adjustment periods that are attached with it.

Wait, people still use ERA to judge a reliever's ability? In 2019? Are we also still using RBI to judge hitters? Or errors to judge fielders?

People forget because you are mostly nonsensical. Your irrational hatred of a good player in Abreu makes no sense so no one pays attention to your other opinions. Just like me when I rage on Jerry, Kenny, and Hahn.

100%. Let's pump the brakes for a moment here. Lucas with a great 2 month run so far, but Sale was a top 3 ML SP for a nice 4- 5 year run for us. Let's hope Lucas gets to those levels.

Amen!

It's a plan...lets do it.

Next year's White Sox could turn over 3/5 of the rotation and end up among the best in baseball. Just gotta get Kopech healthy and keep Cease healthy (and sign Cole lol)

Benching Alonso doesn’t mean you have to replace him with a shitty hitter in the heart of the order. Rondon could have batted 9th. Lost the chance for Eloy to bat once more time

Think about this. Sale’s highest single season fWAR with the White Sox was 5.6. Giolito is on pace for 7.2 this season 🤭

And he hasn't cut up any uniforms.

Hope Timmy didn’t strain himself standing still

If Gio keeps this up, we're gonna have to start the Cy Young votes convo.... Amazing story from worst to first for him. He's in another world right now.

I almost wanted Eloy to drop that one, to go for 9 straight Ks. Not sure what the record is.

This guy is going to dominate the Sox today, isn't he? Mercy.

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And here it is . Plain for all to see this wonderful grouping you use to demonstrate Hahn's worthiness as GM . Sale a draft pick got him Mocada and Kopech. You don't think a few of us on this board could've picked three or 4 minor league players who were worthy of one of the best pitchers in baseball ? Moncada has had 1/2 season of success Kopech nothing except a big injury. Madrigal has accomplished nothing yet. We all want him to but he doesn't belong on a list of accomplishments. Again many here could've picked the 4th pick in the draft last year. Eloy and Cease .Another 2 that have accomplished nothing so far. Bummer a relief pitcher with no sustain success. Stellar example. Giolito. His failures outweighs his success so far. Less than 1/2 a season of a good baseball career. Marshall another relief pitcher who has failed most of his career and with less than half a season of a good baseball career. Tilson , really ? You want to use a career minor league guy as an example of Hahn success stories ? The only thing Tilson has been good at is being injured. Harsh I know but unfortunately true. That leaves Abreu and Anderson on your 14 player list of Hahn accomplishments. I will give you these 2 as having some sustained success but even last year there were some on this board suggesting Anderson was nothing special. Let me also remind you and you can also use this to your advantage , that Hahn has many talent evaluators under him . Doing the legwork, making recommendations. He also has the owner over him controlling the purse strings. SO perhaps the best I can say about Hahn is that the right people below him may not be the best and the guy above him might not be the guy the Sox need to spend lavishly. Perhaps it is Reinsdorfs loyalty that hampers Hahn on his acquisitions and from hiring the people Hahn himself may desire but might not be able to get due to Reinsdorfs loyalty to his employees or his loyalty to his investors. Then there are the 2 guys you just said we should cut ties with , Alonso and Jay. Since you like to use players acquired to use as a gauge to message success then didn't Hahn acquire those 2 in a a experiment that failed miserably ? DId Hahn not approve of signing Eloy's brother in an attempt to appease Eloy and buy his loyalty ? Maybe Enoy is a player? Doubtful. There are also many on this board capable of picking the right free agents to sign and have demonstrated in in their posting history even if that is difficult to prove. Lip is a Sox historian and author. He has forgotten more about the Sox than most of us know. He's has read and wrote about it for many years. He knows failure all too well when he sees it. Oh I forgot McCann. Mosty below average production for McCann too in his Detroit career.. Of course as a GM you need some luck . So far McCann is 1/2 a season of luck falling into Hahn's lap. Mostly picked because all other cheap FA catchers were ancient.

Ken Jennings forever!

Epic analysis. Yeah, a bit harsh directed to a fellow Sox fan, but the former litigator in me enjoyed it more than I probably should admit. While I agree that Homer Bailey is clearly an All Star in sustained suckitude (starting pitcher division), the All Star MVP in my opinion is the White Sox’s own Jamie Navarro. He was the Lou Gehrig of non-quality starts. His 4 year run of failure from 1997 - 2000 (the first three with the Sox) was beyond putrid. No, I can’t even bring myself to post the stats. Look it up, if you dare. And where Navarro laps Bailey is he was horrible AND durable. He never missed a chance to dig a hole for his teammates. Similar in that they got chance after chance because of a “good stuff” reputation and some early to mid career success (a bit more for Navarro). Anyway, good times. I remember more than a few posts here advocating grabbing Bailey from the Reds. Some of the best moves are the moves never made! Carry on (or should I say, carrion).

Jerry reinsdorf and Kenny Williams

Jirschele really impressed me the few times I heard him interviewed. I do wonder if we would ever consider Girardi.

Doesn’t mean he wasn’t good.

Has McCann not been one of their best 4 hitters?

Probably, but I fear Vizquel will be even worse so I'm indifferent