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Ironic, Abreu is sick of defense also

This is pretty lame. We all know Abreu is a leader in the clubhouse, nobody is gonna be like "dude your obp sucks this year you can't talk to me like that"

Maybe Jose is tired of the non-stop losing. Maybe is tired of following an incompetent and bunt happy manager. Maybe he is tired of Rick Hahn using a bunch of big words to say nothing at all at every press conference. Maybe he is tired of the tanking.

There is still momentum, just a ton of bad players at the moment, especially on the pitching side. The good news is by mid April of next year our lineup should feature Moncada, Anderson, Jimenez, Abreu, McCann, Robert, & Madrigal and our rotation will have Giolito, Cease, & Kopech as foundational pieces. There is still plenty of work to do, but with our financial flexibility there is zero excuse for Hahn not to put a contender out there next year.

@vilehoopster probably thinks Jeter is the GOAT defensive shortstop based on his gold gloves

Time for me to defend Abreu, AGAIN. First about the frequently stated idea that Abreu is in an obvious decline is just wrong. But it's been said on here so often that many people just accept it as fact, when there is no fact to it at all, none. The guy who brought up the batting averages is just using that stat because it fits this continued false narrative that Abreu is in decline. Steve Stone has said over and over during the telecasts that Abreu has made the conscious decision to sacrifice his batting average to drive in more runs. And you know what? It's working. The most RBIs he has ever had are 107 in a season, he has 68 already and 63 at the all-star break (If I remember correctly). He's basically on pace to get a 120 RBIs. Clearly his best RBI season in his career. Is that the evidence of a guy clearly in decline? No way. I wanted to throw in doubles as another example of his increased power, but too much math comparing the doubles year by year, so I'm gonna use total bases as another example of him having his best year EVER. Before this year, his best year ever for total bases was 343 in 2017. He already has 187 total bases. Let's be conservative and say he only gets 160 more bases the rest of the year, he will still break his all-time record. Does that sort of thing happen to guys in decline? Of course not. And you guys how talk about his lack of range on defense, such an abstract, unprovable thing. Let's talk about how he's scooping up bad throws better than he ever has and throws very well for a 1st baseman, again, Steve Stone mentions that all the time, how good he is throwing to 2nd and 3rd. So he's not declining defensively either. Also, I am so tired of this "He's an average 1st baseman" stuff. He's not. Do average players represent the AL at the All-star game? He was an all-star 1st baseman this year; he was one last year, and he'll be one next year as a White Sox. Another thing that somewhat cracks me up is the irony of people on here suggesting that Abreu should just shut up or play or implying that he has no right to his opinion because he's part of the problem. Jose is saying exactly the same thing that 95% of the people on this board are saying: he's upset with a whole lot of the wtf personal moves by management. Isn't that exactly what we all have been saying pretty much this entire year?

Hello minor league gamethread. Please save me from the vitriolic teeth gnashing echo chamber that has become the main forum.

Even though the run differential is bad, I do 100% believe that with 5 MLB pitchers and not Gio and a bunch of crap, we’d be ok. Moncada, Eloy, Tim, McCann, Gio, Bummer have all taken strides. A week ago everyone thought this team turned a corner. One bad stretch without Tim and an Eloy injury shouldn’t change opinions. Let the season play out and evaluate afterwards. If they win 10 in a row everyone will be happy again. Don’t be so influenced by immediate results and look at the full picture.

There's a game going on. Nothing to complain about yet. I assume that's why there wasn't a gamethread.

Luis Robert is that player you create on The Show and think "Haha, if only in real life... "

Thomas is an actual legit player where the other family members kids are just favors. Also they most likely didn't want the added pressure of being Alan's son and being a home town kid. Let him make a name for himself in another organization. That's a very common practice.

FYI, Glass and Krogman making their professional debuts. Both are in the AZL lineup tonight (playing RF and LF respectively).

I expect him to be a doubles machine when he takes over in RF in 2021. He will be able to spray the ball around the field and also turn on some balls for HR. He might just not have the power many want in a RF but I'm looking for a 1-9 lineup that puts the pressure on opposing pitchers with no let up.

lol Robert HR

This is the new Sox Talk. Sad isn't it? So often a bad team causes forum members to attack others.

Here's something for your peanut brain to consider: 317 290 293 265 273 which way is that list trending? That's his batting average, a not very advanced stat.

It's because Jose isn't looking at the long term as Rick Hahn would say. Give it a decade. Then we'll be in Portland.

Hahn is a good diplomat. He'll find a way to say "tough shit, Jose".

Tell it like it is Jose! This team is a sinking ship and the whole organization seems ready for the season to end.

Engel might get another Gold Glove nomination with all the homers he gets to rob with this pitching staff.

Ok, I don’t get it. Can someone tell me what the hell is going on? The same stuff written over and over again. How are people confused about what is going on. Very frustrating really

So glad Rick gave them a relaxed schedule coming out of the Athletics series it really did wonders. I'm tired of having a moronic baby sitter as a manager. Joe Girardi is tanned rested and ready.

I would say if they don't spend a bunch of money this off season you have every right to be upset. This is another rebuilding year and we got destroyed by injuries. Next year should be really interesting and I am fairly certain our roster and rotation is going to be vastly improved.

But coming up in the 8th inning, stay tuned for an exciting segment where Benetti asks Yolmer what is his favorite vegetable.

The one excuse the Sox organization keeps using to explain the slump is that Timmy being out has hurt them on and off the field. That is such crap and it’s disappointing to hear guys like Stone continue to repeat it.

Until we start hitting, maybe it should not be called the heart of the order....maybe the spleen or the appendix?

Great, you have made your statement and we all know where you stand. No need to repeat ad nauseam

Well when you present two polar opposite contracts, one that is way over the top and one that is borderline insulting, of course the team and the player wouldn't pick either. It's almost like the Gm could negotiate something that works for the both of them and gets the player to the majors earlier than the service time dictates

The Sox are 10 months away from having one of the best young cores in baseball that runs between 7 and 10 guys deep, all pre-arb or on long extensions. Doubt the FO all you want, but 6 games in June doesn’t change the fact that they’re in the best long term position they’ve ever been, and that that position is real close to being bearing fruit.

Giolito is not looking like fool’s gold because he didn’t keep up his insane pace in his last two starts. McCann is still a great pickup. Also..... your timeline makes no sense. They aren’t going to tank next year. Another thing.... other than last year, if you are .500, you are competing for a wild card spot. I don’t know why you have that as some benchmark that differs from 2021. We also don’t know what the division looks like in 18 months.

Nobody here hates abreu. We are just trying to be realistic about him

The point of his statement is not that he's some baseball god whose play is unquestionable. It's that he's trying his hardest, however good that is, to win. He seems to be wondering whether the Sox are trying their hardest, which is a reasonable question.

25th+ guy...he will probably be back in the show when someone gets hurt to fill in. I like him, probably because he's a lifelong Sox fan, but he is what he is and not more. I hope he likes Charlotte or Omaha or whatever AAA affiliate he plays for the majority of the rest of his career. Then let him come home when he retires and take over for Mike Huff at the Bulls/Sox academy.

He's ridiculous. I think Brian tweeted that if he was around at pick 26, he was going to be the White Sox selection.

My opinion is that you always trade relievers having a good season when there is a less than 50/50 chance of making the playoffs. I believe this regardless of team control. Relievers are so volatile from season to season, that you can't count on Bummer ever having a year this good again. My belief is relievers are always short term pieces and never long term pieces. It doesn't matter what I think of him. He should be traded. He's more valuable to a playoff team than to the Sox.

Going back to the Engel well is more insulting than seeing Tilson.

I don't hate you, greg. We're both White Sox fans. That makes us brothers. Under the skin.

I'm surprised some poster hasn't said BA means nothing. It's already on this forum.

Probably the first time I've ever agreed with one of Kyyle23's posts. Jose made the all star team again but that matters not to most advanced stat lovers.

Girardi be taking over for Maddon when the Cubs fail to win the WS this year. Given how St. Theo treated Renteria, he's probably already told Joe the job is his. No accomplished manager will be taking over for two reasons: (1) Reinsdorf is not paying. (2) Don Cooper has to be retained.

It's gotta be so awkward for all the chaff on this roster.

I am hoping for two things: Tilson never plays another inning for the White Sox and he ends up on the Cubs.

Yolmer is getting to the point of be inexplicable. He should be with Castillo on the way out.

It takes a lot of hitting to overcome a starting staff that most have an era over 5. Maybe the Yankees Murderer's Row.

Yes and we see players like mike trout not wanting to deal with that process despite being incredibly close to cashing in. Also I think Robert will be amicable seeing as how the Sox let him play in DSL year 1 to maximize his earnings. I know that may have been an incentive to sign, but still was something Sox did.

Cameron Simmons (who was mentioned by a couple of guys here) was promoted to Kannapolis. Already 1-1, RBI, R.

Maybe if you review this year instead of 2017 it will look a little deeper, just saying

Dr. Google is the best I've ever had. He's caught my cancer early over 20 times now!

Promoted today to Kanny. Nice to see!

Bmags, get a life. And, why don't you talk about Ben Bailey