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Madrigal dong

No one cares.

The organization has always had a "bunker mentality" in my opinion as well as a streak of arrogance, "WE know what we are doing. We're smarter than you..." From Kenny and his inane comments over the years (the latest attacking fans who thought the Sox were "cheap" after only coming up 50 million short on Machado) to Cooper blasting fans on the radio now to Stone. Frankly I was surprised he'd do this, I just don't see the need to come across like he did and then to "double down" on it today. Again new ownership / front office is badly needed with this ossified organization, regardless of if the rebuild is successful or not. There is an old saying in the business world, "the customer is ALWAYS right" (even if in reality they aren't but you don't do/say anything to drive them away...)

And Madrigal just went yard in Birmingham

Goins has to play until Timmy gets back

He was 3-5 last night Another overreaction. No one does it better than Soxtalk The Rays were since they sent him to AAA

It's all I care about, along with Cease, Anderson, Eloy, Moncada.

Lol Vaughn has played 17 games and we are already worried about his power. No concern with Vaughn’s hit and power tools. Vaughn is legit also been a long season for him. Bat speed and swing path is top notch.

Yet another whiff on the FA market for Hahn. He dumped Avisail to sign Jon Jay for more guaranteed money. Embarrassing.

No. He loses a bit from the stretch. From the windup he's back to 94-96.

10-Day DL for strained effectiveness

Great for the Padres man. Not sure what they have to do with the discussion at hand.

I agree with you. A gold glove center fielder with speed has value. Steverson coaching him to hit .250 would show me something about our hitting coach.

Sox fans have not been ridiculously patient with the rebuild. The Atros who many people use an example had 3 or 4 100 loss seasons during the rebuild. The Sox have had one. People can be pessimistic but let's not go overboard.

Thanks for the stat. I stand by my statement though. Watch where that ball landed that Avi hit. It's as far as you can hit a ball in that stadium. I think it's obvious by his performance that Avi got the last laugh on Hahn and any haters he had. And Avi was crushed by the trade. Loved being a White Sox. Sad.

Good News.

Be still my heart.

Snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. Nice win.

They're already pretty familiar with him.

He ended up doing that, technically

Engel is one of those guys that gets traded to Oakland or St Louis and ends up pinch running in the 9th inning of a playoff game & then comes up to bat 2 innings later and triples home a GW run & forever endears himself to a fan base

When Anderson comes back, Goins should stay over Rondon

I've had enough of Rondon so much so that I'd rather he go to Charlotte upon Anderson's return instead of Goins.

Nice turn, good to see an accurate throw to the 2nd baseman

Frustrating, but what does anyone expect with this shit lineup?

It was never off. They are just missing two of their best hitters who are injured. I can't figure out why people think the goal for this season has changed. The goal has always been to get the young players experience and see what the team has in them. It's the fans who were blinded by the over achieving team in the first have that have changed their minds like a pendulum.

They literally said the other day he would be re-evaluated after the tampa series.

you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

A good place for Steveron to show why he's the hitting coach.

Yermin Mercedes? No. He's an org guy. I just did my top 40 list for FutureSox and I didn't include him.

Oh really? Which part? The part where he referred to the FO as incompetent, or the one where he pointed out that the financial bottom line would not be impacted? Nothing silly about either observation, it would appear. So what did you mean?

Jerry Reinsdorf’s powers of self-assessment are severely lacking if he thinks letting go of Tony LaRussa is the “biggest mistake” of his time as owner of the Sox. That is way down on the list of franchise-crippling mistakes he’s made over the last four decades.

Why? Tatis, Jr., is just 20 and had only 1/2 season of AA and then winter ball. Robert had significantly more international experience before he signed...and played in the Cuban League. He’s also now striking out 30.6% of the time, after being close to 25-27% for most of the year. All that considered...Robert definitely has a weakness with breaking stuff down and off the plate, especially behind in the count. Learning how to foul off those pitches or drive them up the middle or into RF will be the differentiator...between a very good hitter to great/superstar level.

Eh, there’s just so many more layers to it than this. Everyone gets this. How do you balance: Club financial flexibility Necessary MLB seasoning Team chemistry PR and fan interest Employee morale Rewarding somebody when they earn something...or fallout from NOT rewarding the player How potential FA perceive your club based on the above. There are probably 100 more factors that go into it

Jerry is 83 years old and his story of boyhood love of baseball has been retold often. After owning a major league club for 40 years I refuse to believe he doesn't care about winning. He knows that his era can end any day and the tomorrows are limited. I think he will go for it this off season. My gripe with JR is his extreme loyalty to those he perceives as loyal gets in the way of good people decisions.

The streak of arrogance runs deep. The strong feeling of self-entitlement runs just as deep. The team asks for patience and wants the fans to have faith in the rebuild. It is hard to have faith when someone from the organization shoots off his arrogant and stupid mouth like this. For me there is one simple solution: the mute button.

John McDonough, for example, would never say or even think some of the dumb things the likes of KW, Cooper and Stone have uttered. They better hope Luis Robert turns out to be the best thing since sliced bread or Mike Trout. You just get the feeling those core prospects are going to have to carry the water and outperform...because expecting ownership and the front office to outperform other organizations is highly unlikely. If they do go out and sign Cole, then I’ll actually believe they are capable of real change.

Yes. And now it's time to see progress. When they made their trades, I said based on the talent they got, in 2019 they should be in the wild card discussion, maybe even winning it. 2018 was such a complete debacle organization-wide that it was a full year setback. Injuries to 1/2 of our top prospects, other guys just falling apart, lack of progress. This year we've seen the progress we were supposed to see in 2018, but at least we're seeing it. In 2020 we need to take the next step and at least be in the wild card discussion. They have all the talent ready they could ask for and their payroll is so low they could go buy anything they want. We're out of excuses next year. This team has been noncompetitive for 7 full seasons, they haven't played a post-trade-deadline game that mattered since 2012 (even if RH's fantasies said they were). There are 2 possible end results of this - either the White Sox fanbase is going to be frustrated or the White Sox fanbase is going to give up and stop caring. They should consider themselves lucky that anyone cares any more after this - especially after they spent the offseason repeatedly lying to, insulting, and disrespecting the people who pay their bills. So fine, I'm a white sox fan and I've been patient. I'm not mad about a 7 game losing streak and the team being about 10 games below .500 because that's where I expected them to be this year, and there has been some progress. But I've been more patient than any Astros fan or Cubs fan had to be. In 2020 I want watchable, competitive games in September. Injury, guys being young - no longer an excuse.

Let's have a nice clean game boys!!. Gonna head home and get out of the heat and enjoy some winning White Sox baseball in the AC.

JR could care less about his legacy. His main objective with both of his teams was making money. He's been very very good at making money. Both of his teams are making him richer every year. As far as the White Sox go, the only thing he has to hang his hat on is the 2005 World championship season. Other than that his ownership of the White Sox has been BAD. It continues to be bad but like I said he's making nothing but money with this team.

Look. Here's what it is atleast with me. My patience is pretty low because this is the same group of guys that haven't been able to build a winning club the entire time they've been here. Kenny sure but that was a while ago. If those guys had been fired and a new group had been brought in with a good track record there would be much much more patience on my end. But right now especially after the Manny debacle they can kick rocks. I'm going to be critical of them until I start seeing results.

I kind of agree with Stone just from a health perspective. I watch baseball as a pleasant diversion from a stressful job. If I start overstressing about something I REALLY can't control, it goes from "enjoyable hobby" to "bane of my existence." I am basically watching to see Moncada, TA, Gio, Lopez, Cease, Eloy, and Bummer. And I can't wait for Robert. Getting too depressed about whether we finish 10 games under .500 or 20 games under .500 just isn't good for me. Even second-guessing Hahn is a hobby. If I can't laugh at him sometimes or enjoy the fact that Adam Engel must have a cursed doll that gets other outfielders injured, I will go insane. That said, getting swept by Kansas City is laughably bad.

The only problem I see with his house building analogy when it comes to the Sox is that in our scenario is like having faith in a builder that accidentally knocked our house down while doing simple repairs. I was/still am all in favor of a rebuild. It was the right thing to do. I just don’t have any faith in our front office to do the job correctly. And I don’t think it’s unreasonable to be pessimistic about the situation. Obviously it’s 100% out of my control and I just have to accept it, but I find it pretty damn hard to be positive

Next year will be Reinsdorf’s 40th as owner of the Sox, and sadly, after four decades now, the bolded is the legacy he will leave.

lol

I'd still rather watch Tilson than Engel.

As long as the Reinsdorf regime is in control, the type of cultural change that's desperately needed will not happen. This cabal is not on the same wave-length with its fanbase. We are fans. They are not sportsmen. They are bu$ine$$men who found a way to make boat loads of cash without being competitive. So, these medicine men peddle their perpetual rebuild elixirs of a better tomorrow onto what's left of a once great fanbase and friggin laugh all the way to the bank. Someone tell me what ownership group committed to on the field results would hire/retain Kenny-Hahn and Renteria as the management face of their organization?

Time for me to defend Abreu, AGAIN. First about the frequently stated idea that Abreu is in an obvious decline is just wrong. But it's been said on here so often that many people just accept it as fact, when there is no fact to it at all, none. The guy who brought up the batting averages is just using that stat because it fits this continued false narrative that Abreu is in decline. Steve Stone has said over and over during the telecasts that Abreu has made the conscious decision to sacrifice his batting average to drive in more runs. And you know what? It's working. The most RBIs he has ever had are 107 in a season, he has 68 already and 63 at the all-star break (If I remember correctly). He's basically on pace to get a 120 RBIs. Clearly his best RBI season in his career. Is that the evidence of a guy clearly in decline? No way. I wanted to throw in doubles as another example of his increased power, but too much math comparing the doubles year by year, so I'm gonna use total bases as another example of him having his best year EVER. Before this year, his best year ever for total bases was 343 in 2017. He already has 187 total bases. Let's be conservative and say he only gets 160 more bases the rest of the year, he will still break his all-time record. Does that sort of thing happen to guys in decline? Of course not. And you guys how talk about his lack of range on defense, such an abstract, unprovable thing. Let's talk about how he's scooping up bad throws better than he ever has and throws very well for a 1st baseman, again, Steve Stone mentions that all the time, how good he is throwing to 2nd and 3rd. So he's not declining defensively either. Also, I am so tired of this "He's an average 1st baseman" stuff. He's not. Do average players represent the AL at the All-star game? He was an all-star 1st baseman this year; he was one last year, and he'll be one next year as a White Sox. Another thing that somewhat cracks me up is the irony of people on here suggesting that Abreu should just shut up or play or implying that he has no right to his opinion because he's part of the problem. Jose is saying exactly the same thing that 95% of the people on this board are saying: he's upset with a whole lot of the wtf personal moves by management. Isn't that exactly what we all have been saying pretty much this entire year?

Going back to the Engel well is more insulting than seeing Tilson.

Ok, I don’t get it. Can someone tell me what the hell is going on? The same stuff written over and over again. How are people confused about what is going on. Very frustrating really