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Madrigal dong

No one cares.

The organization has always had a "bunker mentality" in my opinion as well as a streak of arrogance, "WE know what we are doing. We're smarter than you..." From Kenny and his inane comments over the years (the latest attacking fans who thought the Sox were "cheap" after only coming up 50 million short on Machado) to Cooper blasting fans on the radio now to Stone. Frankly I was surprised he'd do this, I just don't see the need to come across like he did and then to "double down" on it today. Again new ownership / front office is badly needed with this ossified organization, regardless of if the rebuild is successful or not. There is an old saying in the business world, "the customer is ALWAYS right" (even if in reality they aren't but you don't do/say anything to drive them away...)

And Madrigal just went yard in Birmingham

Goins has to play until Timmy gets back

He was 3-5 last night Another overreaction. No one does it better than Soxtalk The Rays were since they sent him to AAA

It's all I care about, along with Cease, Anderson, Eloy, Moncada.

Lol Vaughn has played 17 games and we are already worried about his power. No concern with Vaughn’s hit and power tools. Vaughn is legit also been a long season for him. Bat speed and swing path is top notch.

Yet another whiff on the FA market for Hahn. He dumped Avisail to sign Jon Jay for more guaranteed money. Embarrassing.

No. He loses a bit from the stretch. From the windup he's back to 94-96.

10-Day DL for strained effectiveness

Great for the Padres man. Not sure what they have to do with the discussion at hand.

I agree with you. A gold glove center fielder with speed has value. Steverson coaching him to hit .250 would show me something about our hitting coach.

Sox fans have not been ridiculously patient with the rebuild. The Atros who many people use an example had 3 or 4 100 loss seasons during the rebuild. The Sox have had one. People can be pessimistic but let's not go overboard.

It has been mentioned that AZL has been fun, it has been. AZL has often sucked while Great Falls was the fun one, where we sent older college prospects to face competition likely worse than what they just played against and laughed as they dominated. But the real progress we are seeing in AZL this year is about getting earlier production from Intl and HS prospects, though we just have not had a lot of HS prospects in general. A major caveat here is the rankings are based on qualified batters, so in some cases I fill in the gaps. I make a line in the sand in age to make a cohort 18 and younger for the rank columns, and total rank is for all players. What we see: Jose Rodriguez is producing really well! Will it matter? Well who knows. But the "suck in AZL and then be great" hasn't been a great route either. 2019 performers, wrc+, rank (total in class), rank (cohort) The noticeable thing? Jose Rodriguez and Gladney both top ten in their cohort. Ramos just after that. Lost in this is Diaz, who is only at 50 PAs, but would be basically our best by wrc+ (he's at like 195) 2018 Weaver and Comas were both respectable in being over 100, and both are doing fine in Great Falls. Mieses is performing way better this year. 2017 We were so pumped for Lenyn Sosa! He survived at 17 and dude keeps surviving. That's because this is a taste of what we looked at before 2016 Woof. And that was an improvement from 2015, when Nunez as a 17 year old had a .365 OPS, Alfaro had a .436 ops, Adolfo had a .636 ops and felix mercedes had a .625 ops. So, how does this fare against all players in AZL, from 2016-2019? Notice I included bush, who was so freakin good they moved him up right away. DJ Gladney, Ramos, Rodriguez all stick out, all top 6 in their literal ages, and top 15 in the 18 and under cohort. Bush would have led all of them had he stayed down at that same pace. So who are the league leaders 18 and under during this time? How did Tatis the Traded do? He had a 107 wrc+ as a 17 year old in AZL. Now, we know Abrams story, Ruiz is a top prospect for Royals, and the Giants have a bunch of high bonus latam players like Luciano who look awesome. Does this mean these guys will be top 10 prospects? No, but considering how few of the low production younger players we saw come through, and how Bush and Sosa who survived/thrived look like they can develop into top 20 guys, this means we may be really finding depth and improving latam scouting and drafting. And hopefully player dev. Let's see what happens next.

Thanks for the stat. I stand by my statement though. Watch where that ball landed that Avi hit. It's as far as you can hit a ball in that stadium. I think it's obvious by his performance that Avi got the last laugh on Hahn and any haters he had. And Avi was crushed by the trade. Loved being a White Sox. Sad.

Anderson could be ready for rehab next week. He worked out today on the field and gets another workout Monday.

teams getting mccann out low and away a lot. He wants to get things going again consistently he needs to stop swinging at that shit.

Engel is one of those guys that gets traded to Oakland or St Louis and ends up pinch running in the 9th inning of a playoff game & then comes up to bat 2 innings later and triples home a GW run & forever endears himself to a fan base

When Anderson comes back, Goins should stay over Rondon

Nice turn, good to see an accurate throw to the 2nd baseman

This bullpen outside of Bummer/Colome is just trash. Marshall just doesn't have good enough stuff.

Big Game James McCann

McKay should be embarrassed he got roughed up by this lineup last night.

How many teams pull one of their best hitters, in a lineup not that deep I have to add, for pinch runners in the 7th?

you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

A good place for Steveron to show why he's the hitting coach.

Very doubtful but the guy he is replacing in the bullpen is terrible and so are the Sox so there is no better time to take a look.

He's started over 250 games in CF and fangraphs has him like +3 runs over that time above average. As I've noted the trope of "Adam Engel elite defense" should be put to bed. He's a slightly above average defensive CF that can't hit his weight most months. He's a 26th man. He sucks. On a club with ANY ORG DEPTH AT ALL he'd have been cast aside long, long ago. It speaks to how incredible fucking dismal our situation was circa 2015 that he was a top 30 guy in the org.

Eloy was clearly calling for it and in position to probably make the catch when Tilson comes barrelling in late and didn't Tilson admit he called it late? Having Robert in CF is going to solve a lot of Eloy's problems in LF. Just pin him to the line, tell him to make every play in front of him when he sees the flash of Robert to his left GTFO of the way.

Yermin Mercedes? No. He's an org guy. I just did my top 40 list for FutureSox and I didn't include him.

Jerry Reinsdorf’s powers of self-assessment are severely lacking if he thinks letting go of Tony LaRussa is the “biggest mistake” of his time as owner of the Sox. That is way down on the list of franchise-crippling mistakes he’s made over the last four decades.

I don't understand why so many fans hate the idea of him coming up August 1st. He gets to struggle for two months, get better in the offseason and has a chance to help us win in 2020. To be honest, we shouldn't even be worried about 2026 right now when we have 6 years of hopefully quality baseball coming up. Something we haven't seen since the early 1900s. 2026 will still be good if our FO proves to be savvy and our owners continues to spend money. Let's not throw 2020 out the window for 2026 when both can be convention years.

Jerry is 83 years old and his story of boyhood love of baseball has been retold often. After owning a major league club for 40 years I refuse to believe he doesn't care about winning. He knows that his era can end any day and the tomorrows are limited. I think he will go for it this off season. My gripe with JR is his extreme loyalty to those he perceives as loyal gets in the way of good people decisions.

The streak of arrogance runs deep. The strong feeling of self-entitlement runs just as deep. The team asks for patience and wants the fans to have faith in the rebuild. It is hard to have faith when someone from the organization shoots off his arrogant and stupid mouth like this. For me there is one simple solution: the mute button.

John McDonough, for example, would never say or even think some of the dumb things the likes of KW, Cooper and Stone have uttered. They better hope Luis Robert turns out to be the best thing since sliced bread or Mike Trout. You just get the feeling those core prospects are going to have to carry the water and outperform...because expecting ownership and the front office to outperform other organizations is highly unlikely. If they do go out and sign Cole, then I’ll actually believe they are capable of real change.

I definitely thinks that those 6 top the Royals' group, and re: Cordell, I knew I was forgetting someone. Throw him in, let him DH! I know James Beard has received an "85" speed grade but I think that Robert's 65 speed grade is completely wrong. Robert will very likely be the fastest player in all of MLB once he's promoted, so I'm not entirely sure that Beard is truly faster. I'd be curious to see their sprint speeds compared, or just to watch them race. What you said is correct, I just personally think that Robert is much, much faster than the scouting grades suggest. But yeah, throw Beard in the mix too. Do this lineup in 2023 and just get rid of the Tilson and Engel types

Don't jump on Stoney. It's just twitter. No big deal. I'm not offended. I'm one of the rare fans totally against the rebuild and tanking. I feel tanking is un-American. In organized sports you try to win, always. This tank crap is another example of the bizarre world we have now. (I'd add my opinion of the political landscape here but that's a no no). But I'm not offended by Stoney and I'm anti-tank to begin with. I feel excited I get to see Eloy and Moncada and Robert play ball. WOW. However I must admit all the injuries have me wondering. Also I'm mad because (if Eloy was healthy) I think we have a core of 5 or so very good players who should be able to win this horsecrap division if our front office would make smart free agent acquisitions, not stiffs. At any rate, if Cease and Kopech are healthy, and the front office does its job, we should win next year. (Yes Robert and Madrigal should be withi the team and Burger if he's healthy). I don't really care what Stoney's take is. I love Stoney and that's that.

Let's have a nice clean game boys!!. Gonna head home and get out of the heat and enjoy some winning White Sox baseball in the AC.

I have a soft spot for Engel. Glad he's back and hope he can stick around.

I'm glad you brought this up. If Jason is being accurate and I assume since he sees the club everyday he should be, I'm left to draw three possible conclusions. None of which bode well: 1. If the manager / coaches are being diligent in teaching than the WAY they teach is not getting through to the players. 2. The players are simply "baseball-stupid" and no matter how well the manager / coaches teach they can't learn it. 3. The managers / coaches are teaching very well but the players are basically ignoring what they are saying, "in one ear and out the other..." To me there's just no excuse for as bad of fundamental baseball as we've seen at bat, in the field and on the bases since 2012.

The only problem I see with his house building analogy when it comes to the Sox is that in our scenario is like having faith in a builder that accidentally knocked our house down while doing simple repairs. I was/still am all in favor of a rebuild. It was the right thing to do. I just don’t have any faith in our front office to do the job correctly. And I don’t think it’s unreasonable to be pessimistic about the situation. Obviously it’s 100% out of my control and I just have to accept it, but I find it pretty damn hard to be positive

Next year will be Reinsdorf’s 40th as owner of the Sox, and sadly, after four decades now, the bolded is the legacy he will leave.

lol

As long as the Reinsdorf regime is in control, the type of cultural change that's desperately needed will not happen. This cabal is not on the same wave-length with its fanbase. We are fans. They are not sportsmen. They are bu$ine$$men who found a way to make boat loads of cash without being competitive. So, these medicine men peddle their perpetual rebuild elixirs of a better tomorrow onto what's left of a once great fanbase and friggin laugh all the way to the bank. Someone tell me what ownership group committed to on the field results would hire/retain Kenny-Hahn and Renteria as the management face of their organization?

Time for me to defend Abreu, AGAIN. First about the frequently stated idea that Abreu is in an obvious decline is just wrong. But it's been said on here so often that many people just accept it as fact, when there is no fact to it at all, none. The guy who brought up the batting averages is just using that stat because it fits this continued false narrative that Abreu is in decline. Steve Stone has said over and over during the telecasts that Abreu has made the conscious decision to sacrifice his batting average to drive in more runs. And you know what? It's working. The most RBIs he has ever had are 107 in a season, he has 68 already and 63 at the all-star break (If I remember correctly). He's basically on pace to get a 120 RBIs. Clearly his best RBI season in his career. Is that the evidence of a guy clearly in decline? No way. I wanted to throw in doubles as another example of his increased power, but too much math comparing the doubles year by year, so I'm gonna use total bases as another example of him having his best year EVER. Before this year, his best year ever for total bases was 343 in 2017. He already has 187 total bases. Let's be conservative and say he only gets 160 more bases the rest of the year, he will still break his all-time record. Does that sort of thing happen to guys in decline? Of course not. And you guys how talk about his lack of range on defense, such an abstract, unprovable thing. Let's talk about how he's scooping up bad throws better than he ever has and throws very well for a 1st baseman, again, Steve Stone mentions that all the time, how good he is throwing to 2nd and 3rd. So he's not declining defensively either. Also, I am so tired of this "He's an average 1st baseman" stuff. He's not. Do average players represent the AL at the All-star game? He was an all-star 1st baseman this year; he was one last year, and he'll be one next year as a White Sox. Another thing that somewhat cracks me up is the irony of people on here suggesting that Abreu should just shut up or play or implying that he has no right to his opinion because he's part of the problem. Jose is saying exactly the same thing that 95% of the people on this board are saying: he's upset with a whole lot of the wtf personal moves by management. Isn't that exactly what we all have been saying pretty much this entire year?

Going back to the Engel well is more insulting than seeing Tilson.

That's the first thing I think of when someone gets injured too. What an incompetent FO.

He didn't hurt his jaw chewing gum and his foot jogging out to play the field. His foot twisted in the wall and his elbow got knocked by a grown up running full speed. Any player would be hurt in the same situation. Relax

This is so perplexing. You spent a lot of last season telling everyone that Giolito was interesting and may become something good, and props to you for that. Now he's having an all-star season, and as one of his "biggest fans" (which you kind of aren't, if this is your opinion on him), he's now "nothing more than a 3-4"? That's ridiculous, he isn't the 1.5 ERA guy he was in May but he also isn't suddenly a #4 pitcher. Long-term I think he's a very good #2 or low-end #1 but two bad starts (and really just two bad innings, if we're being honest) doesn't take a guy from future ace to #4.