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Well today, for example, he drove in his 100th RBI of the year, the 5th year he’s done so in a White Sox uniform, which places him third all-time in White Sox history in doing so. Only Paulie (6 times) and Big Frank (10 times) have done it more often as a member of the White Sox. But I digress - what was that you were saying about Alex Rios?

Abreu's second RBI today shows his value. 1st of all, he got the first RBI of the game (Hell, he batted in all of the Sox's runs today). Back on topic. The bases loaded against a young guy throwing 100 mph, less than two outs. You have got to put that ball in play. Anderson with his .330 or so average strikes out on three pitches. Abreu, and experienced veteran not in anyway in decline, gets his bat on a ball and the slow roller to 3rd scores the insurance run. You guys who complain about his bat slowing down and all that BS, that was a great at bat, great: a clear compare and contrast between Abreu and Anderson. Yes, he got lucky, but his skill was putting the ball in play to get lucky. And he will continue being this lucky for years yet. Pay the man: three years and at least 36 million. And if you think the Sox showing a valued warrior the respect and paying him what he deserves will keep them from signing some other free agent, you're just being ridiculous. If you have to reach to that level of fantasy to argue against Abreu's value and why he should not be resigned. You're already lost the argument.

The Dominican Summer League is over for the White Sox. Benyamin Bailey (OF) had a .477 OBP which was 4th best in league history. Johnabiell Laureano (CF) had a .980 OPS and 6 home runs. Manuel Veloz (18, RHP) had a 0.91 ERA over 39.2 innings and surrendered just 7 walks and 0 home runs. Ronaldo Guzman (16, LHP) struck out 13.2 batters per 9 innings.

Sheets walked his first three time up, then popped out, then hit a three run BOMB.

Dude, you're such a blowhard.

Scoring more runs that the opponent wins games. Runs occur, typically, when one batter drives in runners and/or himself. Jose has driven in 100 runs this year, and 72 of those runs were other players. Considering the revolving door of #2 hitters (I'll at least acknowledge that Leury as the lead-off has been consistent) and the lack of OBP by the bottom of the lineup, Jose has been effective in driving in runs. He's #2 in RBIs in the league and 6th in the majors. That's pretty good in my book. He's never been a great first baseman, and he's not getting any better. His walks are way down, and that's taking a toll on his OBP. He's not the same hitter OVERALL as he was. But he's till a run producer and a threat to hit the ball out of the ballpark at any time. For some reason, some fans love to shit on their own. Honestly, though, the population of Abreu haters on this board is probably as low as the Abreu worshipers. I think the majority of us like him and wouldn't mind seeing him around for a couple more years at $12-$14 million a year, especially with him taking on more of a DH role. He certainly still has value, and his value as a leader and mentor cannot be undersold.

I believe your question was what has Jose done that has been great. The answer is simple: he's driven in over 100 runs five times in his career, which places him third in all time White Sox history behind a Hall of Famer who did it ten times and a former All Star who did it six times. Driving in over 100 runs in the Major Leagues is a great feat. Not saying it's the end all, be all for gauging how good a player is, but to drive in more than 100 runs as many times as Jose has is, indeed, a great achievement on his part.

They didn't shed all this payroll to simply become one of the lowest spending teams in the game, either.

When you go out to lunch and there is a line out the door, do the people working there perform as well as when there is one or two people there? Some probably do, and might even kick it up a notch, others become overwhelmed. In my job, there are very busy times. Some people step up, some check out.

And I get where mathmatically it would be very hard to measure due to sample size, and like I mentioned before the randomness of the gaem where sometimes really good ABs have far worse results than bad ones. But it seems to be the industry standard, if it can't be measured, it doesn't exist, and common sense and everyday life makes you know it exists.

To think everyone will perform the same whether the situation is stressful or not, is ludicrous, whether it's baseball, or being an accountant or lawyer or cutting hair. Some people fold, some rise to the occassion when the chips are on the table. The object is to score runs. Jose Abreu has produced a lot of runs for the White Sox with very little help, it's hard to understand how some can't understand that.

Of course you are a guy who though Yonder Alonso was good. Yet if you looked at his advanced numbers, he's pretty much sucked his entire career, save one season. But go on a rant telling me I am stupid and using some slang to call me a girl. The bottom line is you have no idea what you are writing about.

And he has been his whole career, but I still think it’s important to point out his numbers in non-RISP situations are not great and have slowly gotten worse with time. That being said, I love Abreu and think it’s important we bring him back for next couple years if the price is right.

How about a .343/.370/.606 line with RISP?

To argue that RBI's are not important is ridiculous imho.

Comparing Cutler to Sanchez is nonsense. Who would you rather have? Player A: 3.1 INT % 7.1 Y/A 56.9 COM% 1.32:1 TD:INT Player B: 3.3 INT % 7.1 Y/A 62.0 COM% 1.42:1 TD:INT I think anyone would take player B. Player B is Jay Cutler. Player A is John Elway. The issue was Cutler was really bad when he was bad. But in 2010, he was really good, and when he broke his thumb in 2011, the Bears offense was rolling and he was playing great. When Elway was bad, he was average. Those games don't stand out. The really awful ones do, especially when one of them has rings. Even Steve Young, who notoriously HATED Cutler, ranked the Bears #1 in his power rankings in 2011 because of Jay. One of my biggest hot takes ever is that if he's healthy in 2010 and/or 2011, they win at least one Super Bowl.

Good post by vile. For some reason if I wrote this I think I'd be accused of trolling. The post has a cool rhythm to it.

When will these immature athletes learn to drink water like us professional message boarders?

I've been thinking about what I posted in this thread for a while, and really it does me no good to constantly b**** about getting the short end of the stick. Being angry and bitter does me no good, I should just move forward from here and try to make the best of my situation as it exists today.

That's what I think. A 13 K% is actually really good. A .250 BABIP says he's unlucky. Let's see what he does next year before we panic about his power. I learned a lot from jumping the gun on Madrigal last fall.

Kid has really put himself back on the map this year. Can’t wait to see how he responds to the juiced ball in 2020.

I suppose you could count Robert and Abreu but they were not MLB Free Agents. So yes , I'd say Albert Belle . He did move to Nashville but that was more for himself and his family as opposed to some move to get away from the Sox . Hell I moved to California 35+years ago but might be a bigger Sox fan now than I ever was. But at least you are using his quote as your signature where he acknowledges the Sox might screw it up.

Literally how? They have like 26 million in guarenteed money next year. They have to spend like 60 million dollars just to get to the 90 million, bottom 3 in the league, payroll they currently have in a tank year. Are they going to sign Ivan Nova for 60 million AAV? I get being skeptical they land a guy like Cole but come on.

Right. 2020 could be super fun, but it isn't time for primetime. Things could go great and they could find themselves in the thick of things, but I am not really expecting that. Over .500 baseball would be great. We're talking about potentially as few as 15 games. Chances are higher Robert spends more time on the IL next season than the amount he'll miss because he's taking at bats in Charlotte. There is no quantifiable evidence that Robert being up for the next few weeks would make any difference in next season's results. Shit some are projecting the decision to affect his whole career. Its non sense. Madrigal getting called up this year would be a serious rush job and wasn't even a point of discussion until a couple weeks ago. Most of you just simply won't believe it until you see it. I get it. If Sox go through the next two offseasons without signing a $100M player, I may just as big of skeptic. But for now, there is no evidence that the White Sox are now operating with one of the smallest payrolls in the league. The core is there. That is why they went through this painful process. They are going to add. They have legitimately a metric fuck ton of money to spend. They aren't just going to throw their hands up and spend it on shitty veterans just because Manny Machado signed elsewhere.

Why would we use MRIs and CT Scans and X-Rays to measure disease and diagnose injuries we have LEACHES. fWAR? bWAR? Gimme RBI. Main that shit into my veins bruh. Precision and accuracy? oof. That shit is for scientists and nerds and suckers true Glory is found in rubbing sticks together and hoping for rain. Doppler radar? Climate science? Farmer's Almanac.

Waste this rebuild? Getting an extra year of Kopech would be huge. If all that takes is signing an extra free agent starter than by all means do it. And guess what, if Kopech is lighting up the world in AAA right from the start then we can simply adjust the plan and forego that extra year if we so choose.

Probably. Again, go read how Sox minor leaguers get drafted and their advanced scouting reports are significantly worse than those they got in college. That tells you all you need to know. If they're behind top D1 programs, imagine how far behind they are from the rest of baseball. This is the equivalent of taking a sales job and your boss giving you zero information about the product you're selling. They're not being given the tools necessary to succeed at their job. If I was a college or HS baseball player there is no way in hell I'd sign with this organization. None whatsoever.

It's actually pretty obvious that is the case if you've been paying attention. Even if they do use some sort of analytics, they're probably a decade plus behind the rest of baseball. Go read what Madrigal said about their scouting reports. He said that Oregon St. was more advanced. That's pretty damning.

Hmmm, does nobody love you? How do you measure love? Hate? Fear? Rage? Joy? Anxiety? People care about those things. Those things all have tangible impacts on the way people perceive the world, and the way they behave. You can't always measure what is going on in someone's head. That is why you can't measure clutch to a degree.

I have never gotten this line of thinking. If pressure can cause one to fail, why is it ridiculous to think that it can cause others to focus a bit more? Everything has an equal and opposite reaction right?

Because I know it exists. It exists at my current job, it existed when I played baseball, it existed when I had to testify at a trial. How that is measured in a stat, I do not know.

I kinda want to see how Abreu performs in a lineup filled with Madrigal, Robert, Eloy, Vaughn, Collins, Moncada and Anderson.

I have no qualms with the sabremetric community. As I said before I think they are very useful and interesting . My problem is with those who blindly use them because it is the more modern way to approach things by those who post often here and use them without fully understanding them or even keeping up with the latest information. Just by being an avid baseball fan I know about the clutch stat that I brought up but only one poster said it was probably WPA and others didn't know what I was talking about. Now I know not a lot of guys have read that post that I mentioned it but if you are going to suggest that studies have shown there is no such things as clutch then you better bring your A game to support it.

They could be looking at the Cubs as a cautionary tale of losing payroll flexibility as your young core reaches arbitration. But again, what good is payroll flexibility if you never use it?

Yup, and no doubt it is hard to measure due to small sample sizes, but common sense dictates people react differently to stress.

Well he's not the main culprit ,we all know who is. The guy who mocks RBI's as a useful stat to poster Thad Bosley. So I bring up this clutch stat which for some reason an old guy like me can find but the sabre guys can't and you say Abreu is 11th using it so I'm sure R883 will now disparage that particular sabre stat or just ignore it.

His career wRC+ with RISP (in nearly 1,000 plate appearances) is significantly higher than without RISP. Are you saying that is a small sample size bias? My view is in the analytics community there is oftentimes confusion that certain things don’t exist or aren’t true because they can’t be validated due to sample size limitations. I feel strongly that certain players perform at higher or lower level in clutch situations whether it can be measured or not.

Those numbers (RISP slash) are higher than his totals, so obviously they (his RISP numbers) will be better than his other numbers. WIth no one one his slash is .253/.294/.465 With a runner on first his slash is .262/.307/.439 That seems to indicate a guy that is better at hitting with runners in scoring position than he is when there aren't runners in scoring position. There used to be a word for that. I forget what it was. Was it the gas? No that isn't right... the brake? No... Oh well I thought it was something remotely automotive.

I'm not sure if you are serious or mocking in this post so I can't really reply.

Get the crap out of here. Everyone is exactly the same at driving in runs. It is only a function of opportunity. Didn't you know that people can't focus differently in different situations? Don't you know that everyone handles pressure in the exact same manner? Cmon man. Join the revolution.

You cannot compare playing in the 80's and 90's to someone playing in today's game. Jay Cutler would have thrown 30 int a year if he played in the 80's.

Well that's my point , they've been winning but no winner threads recently except for this one.Most of the discussion after the game ended was just going on in the game thread.

Might be a good idea to change this thread title before Parkman causes someone to have a heart attack.

You'll never get any proof. If he is though, prepare for a $75M payroll next year. Again, it seems like they're doing everything they can to alienate their fanbase.

Just like Hawk was a mouthpiece for Reinsdorf and the front office, Stone has now filled that role.

Steve Stone is preparing Sox fans for a disappointing offseason of dumpster diving so the Sox can maintain “financial flexibility.” And a couple more pieces, Steve? Did Bill Walton leave his stash in the booth for Steve to find? It’s already being planned out, folks.

Some of you guys have Stockholm Syndrome. They didn't ship off all their assets to sign Ivan Novas and Michael Wachas when the window is opening. They could spend 100 million in AAV this offseason and still not be in front half of the league in terms of payroll. They are playing with 90 million dollars this year which is bottom 3 in payroll in all of baseball in a non competitive year.

Did you just simultaneously go misogynist and insult an entire generation for not wanting mouth cancer?

Men giving birth is dead serious. Clearly you've never birthed a child.

Remember when men were men and were right back in the factory after they gave birth. Jeez.