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Why do we not like 30hr and 111rbi??? With 20 some games left.. Oh wait....we are white Sox fans

Meanwhile, White Sox RF/DH have combined for -5 fWAR this season and Harper sits at 3.6. Yet, many still insist Machado is/was the better fit. What am I missing here?

Look, I'm over Mitch too but this is a huge stretch. Pace is a much better GM than JA.

The only way you'll make him happy is if you provide photographic proof of you bowing to and kissing the feet of Rick Hahn. He loves Hahn

It was an incredible outlier year. You don't plan around fool's gold.

The guy was an all-star this year, an all-star. With Abreu, he's been our most clutch hitter all year. He great defensively. And you still want to replace him. Wow, some people on this board are incredible.

RON!!!

Get that batting title Timmy!!

I like Swirsky. Refreshing to see an announcer not comment about what a fan in the park is doing every 5 seconds the camera happens to pan on him/her.

God damn it. Why is Covey pitching??!!! I just got home and checked the score. 1 and 7 this year isn't bad enough for the Sox to know he's terrible?? 6 and 29 in his career as a Sox isn't enough? ? What was it in his last game in the majors? Didn't he face 6 Twins and give up six runs? That's not enough for the Sox front office to know he's absolutely terrible, terrible, terrible and is never going to not be terrible?? What does it take for them to see he that he sucks? Does he need to go 1 and 11 or 12 for this year? Does he need to have a career Sox record of 7 and 36? Does he have to get up to 8 wins and 50 losses before they give up on him? What is the front office seeing??? They dumped Santana after two games. They could see to give up on Yonder A? Why can't they see to dump Covey??? Every fan who paid for a ticket tonight should be able to demand that they get their money back!!!

TA's footwork is just awful. What is Ron Washington up to these days?

Best move of the offseason

We're trying to win the Commissioner's Trophy, not the Fiscal Responsibility Trophy.

Why ever move away from the old English sox logo? It's a bonafide classic. This doesn't appear to be real though. The obvious thing, of course, is the fact they keep referring to the "logo" but in reality it's a typeface or a word mark... Add to that this is posted by a draft pick and not reported by any Chicago media. I don't hate the typeface as a backup for the old English sox logo, but not permanent.

This is literally exactly, to the letter, the logic of the 2015 and 2016 white sox. "We'll trade everything we possibly can afford to give up for one more star (Samardzija/Frazier) and then we'll just bring the positions that were gaping holes the year before up to average and that will be good enough." Melky Cabrera, David Robertson, Adam LaRoche come in to do that job in 2015, Jimmy Rollins, Austin Jackson, Mat Latos, Avila/Navarro come in to do that job in 2016.

Dude you're going to be backtracking on this take within a week. You're going to blame it on how quickly you jump to conclusions. This is maybe you're worst take yet. Pace took over an old and complete horseshit roster and within a few years they were a kicker away from a deep playoff run. He traded for Mack. He signed Hicks and Amukamara. Look at the players he has drafted since taking over- Amos, Goldman, Jackson, Cohen, Bush, Whitehair, Floyd, Howard. I'm not ready to jump on Smith, Daniels, Nichols, Wims. Montgomery, etc because no one knows how good they'll be. I think you're underestimating how bad that roster was. Besides Jeffery, Long and Fuller, Emery was a complete disaster. No shit Angelo's resume is better. He had 11 years, and fwiw, 3 playoff wins in 11 years is horrific. Give Pace time. I can't believe how fast this fan base has changed their minds. They lost against the Packers in brutal fashion, I get it, but a week ago everyone was predicting at least a playoff berth. Relax

Jerry was hired in 2001. They had a metric shit ton of injuries in 2002. He made the playoffs his first year. Lovie was his first(and only) HC hire. Mark Hatley was the GM in 2000 when Urlacher and Brown were drafted. IIRC Jerry got fired after 2011, Lovie after 2012. Jerry's problem was that he traded Marty Booker for Ogunleye and was never able to find receivers again, and he couldn't find a QB. Picking Muhammad over Burress was beyond dumb. (This isn't even hindsight, I wanted Burress then) the core players on that defense were there from 2003-2013.

I wish the Sox would've signed Harper.

I guess, with all of the disappointment of last year, the Sox are right. Neither was worth the money. The problem is, you could say that about every major FA contract ever, with the lone exception of A-Rod with Texas and Manny Ramirez with the Sawx. Both were on roids though, so that skews things significantly.

Considering the black holes in RF and DH the Sox have had in recent years (minus the one fluke Avi season), $25M AAV for a player like Harper really isn’t bad value to improve those areas. Especially with his stick, you could slide him to DH over the last few years of his contract as his defense in RF erodes. Then of course is the marketing aspect, which helps offset the salary burden as well.

I'd argue Angelo was better. He built a top defense that would end up lasting a decade. The only guys he inherited were Urlacher and Mike Brown, and both were s drafted the season prior to him taking over. Pace has built a great defense, but it's only going to last for 3-5 years. Jerry had a lot of time to find a QB, didn't get it done. Pace doesn't have that luxury. Jerry was GM of the Bears for 11 seasons and completely wasted a group with possibly 4 HOF on defense for a large chunk of that time. (Tillman is the borderline guy, Urlacher, Peppers and Briggs are locks IMO) Pace built this team from scratch pretty quickly. Eddie Jackson and Roquan Smith are really good players, but they're too young to know if they're HOF. Leonard Floyd is nice, but he's going to be gone because of Mack. Not a special player though. Fuller's really good(and the one player Pace inherited), not a HOF. Jerry Angelo was GM for 11 years for a reason. He got to see out the entire shelf life of his incredible defense he built. I think that was a mistake. This defense is in the same spot, with the Mack acquisition that the Urlacher/Briggs/Tillman group was when Angelo signed Peppers. They're toward the end of their prime. They have to win this year or next year. That's the window. If Pace wastes this year, he should be gone. If Mitch sucks, nothing is going to happen with this group. I'd feel much better if Mack was 24 instead of 28. In that case, I'd be willing to give Pace more time, like Angelo got. But not much longer. Angelo's failure was never finding a QB, and Lovie's failure was not knowing the difference between an offensive mind and his asshole. When Urlacher, Briggs and Tillman were healthy, The Bears had a top 10 D. Angelo GMed a team to a SB appearance, and won 3 playoff games. Pace has had one PO appearance and zero wins. Right now, Angelo has the better Resume. Lovie Smith has the 3rd most wins at HC in Bears history, after Halas and Ditka.

Some people would argue with the undertaker.🙂

Awesome performance from RF and DH spots again

That might be the hottest take of them all.

Nagy should be able to adapt and get Mitch in position to roll out and get a bunched up backfield of some kind to run the ball up the gut and off tackle. The i formation isn’t dead even if they have no fullback.

Um, I think the first exam was who are you going to get back for your trades. I would say passed with flying colors so far with seeing how Jimenez, Gio, Moncada, and i think eventually Lopez are panning out. You'll see Kopech next year. That was the first exam. The development seems to be working. Idk how this year is a C. Literally every player who has needed to show improvement has, and has done it very well. Gio (exceeding expectations by a long ways), Lopez in the 2nd half, Anderson destroying the baseball all year, Moncadas eye has improved drastically and has been around .300 all year, Jimenez power has shown and he would probably be pushing 40 homers if not for the injuries, what a pleasant suprise McCann has been, Bummer and Marshall, even Leury, Jose's offense is still elite I don't care what the advance stats say, he's a starting 1B or DH on any world series team. Well, year 3 probably would have been better if Kopech, Dunning and Rodon didn't all need TJS, and Robert didnt lose a year because of his thumb. Bet good money this team would be .500 if those 4 players were on this roster. And I bet Robert would be up here if the Sox were around .500. As Parkman said, shit happened and it slowed the rebuild down.

Andrew recorded a combined babip of .282 this season. That’s quite low. Hard to predict a normalized babip for him, but by comparison José Abreu lifetime babip is .329. Something similar to that would have put Vaughn’s OPS up near .900 this past season.

I think that is a fair assessment, his tendencies are all on tape now.

Then I guess it doesn't depend on the turnover situation. The Bears forced 0 against Green Bay and still held them to 10 points. If they can do that vs that QB and that OL (which isn't great but much better than Denver's), it's possible. That's my fear. It's probably too early to make that judgement but the last 6 games have been brutal

My friend who knows more about football than me, is absolutely convinced the league is catching up to Nagy’s offense.

Uhhhh no. Go Mitch. Maybe the Pack is too smart for Mitch and the Bear offense. Pretty much expect the same from Josh Allen against the Jets. You have to be an accurate passer first and foremost.

Depends on the turnover situation. Last night, neither team turned the ball over until Trubisky tried to make something happen late.

I don’t have any confidence in Mitch Bears barely have scored 20 points in half his games. He has not improved 1% and may have regressed in year 3.

Weren't the big teams pretty much in the penalty that year during the Robert sweepstakes? It was the perfect storm for the Sox. I remember it was us or the Cardinals that were going to get him (and if I'm not mistaken he had a better offer from the Cardinals but chose the Sox cause of the Cubans).

I can't tell if this is just an idea or if it's really happening. The website doesn't seem ultra reputable.

If Vizquel wasn't Ricky * 100 when it comes to bunting, I would really love it for him to be the next manager. That's a great quote

Or not.....will arrive in Charlotte tomorrow. Cool.

Does your brother also want to JUST.WIN.BABY?