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When was the last time the Sox finished in 2nd place. If that's what he's trying to do he's failing at that.

See ya.

watching the white sox the last decade sure has been "perineal". cuz they play like taint get it get it

I pray to god if I’m ever on trial that you’re not part of the jury. All it takes is one claim from some douchebag for you to be 100% convinced of something.

I read something about a prominent person on the autistic spectrum the other day, and it mentioned how one quirk of theirs is that they have rigid adherence to their favored ideas. I see this with Jack all the time. Nothing can talk him down from an idea once he believes it to be true.

Do I think Jerry values his profit margin over the Sox winning? Yes. Do I think Jerry is intentionally building 2nd place teams? No way. That is a pretty stupid business model and Jerry isn’t a stupid businessman, like him or not.

Your pessimism is on Moan4Yoan levels annoying. Like my god, I get you have autism and automatically fear the worst, but you’ve become completely irrational and a total slog to this board. Posting ridiculously dumb rumors in multiple threads to feed your insane negativity is a new all-time low for you.

My skepticism isn't going to go away until they make the ALDS for 2 consecutive seasons for the first time in franchise history.

Reinsdorf would certainly be a perfect go-to guy for advice on how to build a 4th place team, after what we’ve witnessed during this past dreadful decade.

This is exactly right. JR plays the long game, where financial stability is paramount. We’d all love his way of doing business if he owned a widget factory and we were shareholders. But it doesn’t translate so well to the owner-fan dynamic.

Everything does't have to be black or white. There are shades of gray in the world. The Sox spending big money this off-season will greatly improve the chances of winning a World Series. But that doesn't mean they can't win one without spending big cash. There's a lot of talent floating around in this franchise now. One wouldn't be wise to have no expectations, or to give up on them already.

JR has said for many years that a winning team is expensive. Keep in mind that Forbes magazine said that the 2018 white Sox (which lost 100 games) were the 6th most profitable team in MLB. As long as the team payroll is low the white Sox franchise is a goldmine for JR and his investors.

Cripes, Jack. You can believe this unsourced absurdity if you want to, but you don’t have to insult everyone’s intelligence for wanting a bit more evidence on the matter.

I think Reinsdorf just got exposed here and a lot of you are in denial. If you look at the evidence objectively it points to this. Use your brain people.

Whatever. David Samson is a scumbag, so he's probably exaggerating what Reinsdorf said anyway.

Criticize? Pal, when all someone does is parrot the same negative nonsense over and over its nauseating. Being critical is fine. Being preemptively critical of an off season that hasn't happened is obnoxious. I was critical of the miss on Manny last year, I made a couple posts about it and then I moved on with my life. If something makes you so angry that all you do is feel negative anger towards them with such frequency that that's all you post about, maybe you should root or follow someone else. If something makes me miserable I move on from it. I advise others to do the same because it's really annoying to listen to someone tell you how horrible and angry something makes them over and over when it's their choice to follow them.

This explains a lot about the 2000-2010 White Sox. It seems Reinsdorf is only interested in winning if it happens by accident. His goal is to build a 2nd place team. This makes too much sense for it not to be true. TIFWIW.

Oh this is dumb. A lot of things get discussed on this website- White Sox baseball, all baseball, our jobs, our relationships, and in days of yore, even politics. The typical White Sox fan experience? I will always love this team but I’ve been in the state of Illinois for all of ten days in the last twenty years. You guys talk about your hatred of the Cubs and it couldn’t matter less to me because I don’t even know any Cubs fans. Should I run around and screech at people for daring to talk about something that doesn’t interest me? If the guy wants to mention reliable info that our team’s owner is a good guy, then I’m interested. If you so totally do not care, then you are welcome at any point to...you know...stop caring.

His entire ownership has been a series of perpetual 3 to 5 year rebuilds. It"s just a friggin con.

Your hatred of Reinsdorf really isn’t healthy. The dude simply said he’s a good boss which by all accounts he is. No one is arguing he’s an awesome owner to the common fan.

Pffftttt...”character of the team’s owner”. Oh, Reinsdorf is a character, alright. He showed wondrous character in threatening to move our Sox to Florida unless the state of Illinois agreed to his blackmailing. billionaire-making demands. He’s one helluva stand-up guy for the average White Sox fan.

Because maybe I'm not so negative and I'm willing to give JR the benefit of the doubt for the time being. The guy who said this is a known scumbag, so it's possible that he's talking out of his ass. I'm not waiting forever. I'm giving him a couple more offseasons to prove this guy wrong. Who knows? Maybe this will motivate JR to open his wallet for once. I won't deny that it was an extremely plausible accusation. I left the Hawks for 7 years when Dollar Bill traded Roenick and Belfour, I've done it before and I'm not afraid to do it again. If I leave, I'll be back when ownership changes hands.

I 100% believed that the owner wanted to win until today. Then suddenly things have changed. I'm not 100% on the dark side yet but I'm considering it because the way they ran the Sox for the better part of two decades backs up what that guy from the Marlins said. I don't know what to think right now. This is a plausible accusation. I think I'm going to wait it out over the next few years and make Jerry prove this guy wrong.

Then you are completely unfamiliar with, or choose to totally ignore, the FO’s long-running record of futility. Why is it so difficult for you to reconcile fan sentiment where it stands today with all of the incompetence demonstrated the past two decades by this FO, the same FO who would have been relieved of their duties a long time ago by anyone of the other 29 clubs. The negativity you see today is a cumulative effect of all of the losing witnessed by our fan base as a result of this front office. The only thing to make that negativity dissipate is to FINALLY start winning again. It’s not enough in the least bit to be content just because the team is in the stage in the rebuild where the FO said it would be right now. That’s just a stage in a rebuild - it’s NOT winning White Sox baseball. Not yet, anyway. Plenty to be optimistic about, no doubt, but still plenty to be skeptical and even negative about; again, anchoring to the FO’s record. It’s up to the FO to change the fan base’s perception of them.

In 2001 they had a cheap team with the #1 farm system in baseball and didn't do anything noteworthy. One of my favorite(sarcasm) White Sox things that they do is trade for a star player during their walk year. Wells and Colon fit this. They like to trade for 1 year rentals a lot. Hopefully they learned from Samardzija.

I know everyone around here is expecting the Sox to be 'on the cheap' once again this winter. You can see it by the roster, trades and free agent signings they keep proposing. But I'm going to hold out hope that they shock us. Jerry did it once before in signing Joey Belle. He can do it again by signing Strasburg or Cole.

You're right, but they have to get really lucky. Lightning struck once, I'm not counting on it happening again.

Because you are a pessimist who jumps on the first data point or rumor that suggests the worst.

Yes, mostly because he had multiple chances to put very competitive teams over the top from 1995-2012 and he never did it. The 2003 team was the most egregious example of self-sabotage.

Jack is entitled to his opinion on this.. but by god I wish he kept that opinion to one thread only !

I don't know why you think this is nuts. It makes so much sense actually. It's confusing to me why everyone doesn't believe this unless they are just in denial. I don't want to believe it either, but the evidence is overwhelming.

It all goes back to him being cheap. He doesn't want to spend like the Ricketts do or the Red Sox do. But he wants to win on his terms and dollars. That formula probably adds up to a 2nd place team in his head. But it's nuts to say he actually shoots for 2nd place. As CWS said above, he is risk adverse, but that just spins off him being cheap.

You’re probably right. It’s just very frustrating at I’ve met Jack in person and could tell instantly he’s a very smart guy, but my god some of the things he’s able to convince himself of are just downright nuts.

I think you actually might be insane. Also, why is he rebuilding right now if the goal is 2nd place finishes? That’s goes completely against your claim.

If you look at player acquisitions and trades over the last 25 years, it's fairly obvious to me that he's actively aiming for 2nd place. It makes waay too much sense.

The evidence is there. It's overwhelming. Just look at the last two and a half decades of White Sox baseball and it's clear as day. It puts all of the absurdity and madness into context. Everything makes sense now that didn't before.

He hits the ball hard. His xBABIP was .386. His actual BABIP was .403. It's actually sustainable, wild as it sounds.

Clickbait trash with no way to verify that he knows listeners/readers will eat up. Modern media

It's frustrating that we're all resigned to the reality that our team is too cheap to go after top notch talent. With the lowest committed payroll in baseball, plus living in the 3rd largest city in the country - why are Cole and Strasburg off limits?

So you right about Tatis when he was a huge prospect? Well, that's dandy. If you're gonna say you were right about him, you better have been throwing shade in the trade thread. I'm sure you'll be able to find some posts. Iirc, there was only 1 poster on the entire board that really liked Tatis at the time. A lot of people didnt want Shields, but it wasn't because they valued Tatis. Didn't you say Puig was as good as Mickey Mantle? You went on for months and updated your own thread daily. I have no idea what Jose Abreu has to with that.

Holy shit. Hey man, welcome to Earth. This is obviously from a different galaxy or 4th dimension of hot takes. By any chance do you like to gamble high stakes but lose a lot?

Hawk was a train wreck at the end. The guy would go entire innings saying like 2 sentences when it was his inning. When the Sox were bad he was unbearable. Jason is light years better than Hawk, it's not even close.

Giving 18 million to a reliever who is still in baseball, has had a long and successful career, is somehow worse than the Padres giving 25 million to a guy who was never a big league caliber player and may be on his way to jail. Incredibly hot take there.

Most likely Robert will be the superstar under team control past 2023.

Awesome, you posted on a public message board; if you want to have private conversations, move it to private messages. Tia.

No one has a madrigal level hit tool. Jesus christ.

Coop is awesome. I hope he stays with it at least one more year.

I do love that he wasn’t technically fired, bringing the tally of coaching and management positions who were fired after a lost decade to 0.

@caulfield12 and @Dick Allen seem to think the Padres are in a better position for success over the next 5 years than the White Sox. OTH, I feel very confident that the White Sox will have more wins and playoff appearances than the Padres over that time span. This is not because of their respective young cores per se but the White Sox’ tremendous financial flexibility this winter as well as upcoming winters (rather than having blown their wad on Hosmer, Machado, Myers).

Someone who is closer to contention than the Sox are going to give up more than "a few mid level prospects" for Mookie Betts. This whole conversation is insane. The sox are not a fit for Mookie. Revisit after 2020 and sign him for nothing but money if it makes sense at that point.