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This. And did we sign Wheeler that I don't know about? Let's revisit this when/if that happens.

Considering their biggest "need" is a RF with good plate discipline skills, I think missing out on Harper (not that they were ever seemingly seriously interested) is a much bigger regret than Machado.

No, no he doesn’t.

Very pissed off they missed out on Machado. It isn't fair to make this a Machado vs. Abreu/Grandal / Wheeler situation as they SHOULD have enough cap room to get ALL of that. They SHOULD have enough room to get Harper AND Machado. This is a false dichotomy IMO.

Wheeler has had one freakin injury, it’s not like he’s been out 12 times. Dude has been a great pitcher outside the TJ surgery. Still in his prime, it’s not hard to see why people want this dude. If we’re not going to be in on cole this is the dude to get.

I want nothing to do with Ozuna or Puig for that matter.

You aren't being fair here. Greg is an important part of the community, he has well over 30,000 posts and most certainly is NOT a troll. Greg's opinion of Abreu is pretty bad IMO, it's similar to my dad who yesterday told me that the Abreu deal was a 'steal' and he gave us a 'hometown discount.' I chuckled and rolled my eyes. However, it IS nice in sports to have a guy stay with a team and be loyal. I'm lukewarm about the deal, but what in Greg's post makes it an abomination and worthy of calling a troll?

We have to remember, many of the rebuild pieces added probably don't happen without the failed Shields for Tatis trade. There is no world where we still have Tatis, but also have Moncada, Giolito, Robert, Eloy, etc.

Another day another awful contract. If this is part of a major splash in FA fine but we've essentially committed 36 million AAV to two guys who are 30+ and both of these guys got one more year then they should have which means probably the only reason why they signed this early is because our offer blew all others out of the water. If you look at why the good teams are good and the bad teams are bad it's moves like these. The smart teams wait for the market to come to them. Now we see if this is part of a larger splash all I can say is it better damn well be if they are going to blow money like this it better be as part of some huge splash. Otherwise if we are operating under a similar 120 million ish budget we are screwed.

This is exactly what this board needed: another idiotic Tatis thread. Enjoy the strong start to the offseason or buy a Padres cap.

Let’s say each of our five outfield prospects (Micker, Gonzalez, Basabe, Walker, Rutherford) has only a 15% chance to be a solid regular. That means there is a 56% chance that at least one of of them will be a solid regular. If you think each one has a 20% chance of panning out, that means there’s a 74% chance at least one makes it. Point being, I think it’s likely that at least one of them could be our long term solution. I would go after a one year stop gap option and then reevaluate the prospects. We’ll have a better idea next offseason, and if it seems like all five will flop, then we can sign somebody next year.

Get it done, Hahn. This would be huge.

Thanks for explaining. My take is that trading Cease, Madrigal or any significant piece for 1 year of Mookie Betts is fucking stupid. The Sox would still be a longshot to win the division. Its not worth it, and any package we can create that doesn't include a significant piece isn't going to get accept.

Players don’t disappear into the ether when they hit FA.

My glee in watching Cubs fans witness Jimenez and Cease contribute mightily to our next championship will far outweigh any disappointment with what Tatis does with San Diego.

Yeah because a guy near leading baseball in hard hit % and avg exit velocity really benefited from the balls being juiced.

Boston will not want Vaughn. Their top two positional prospects are both IB, one in AAA and the other one in A. My guess if they trade him, will be for starting pitching.

If you are willing to trade Vaughn...trade him for a sure thing controllable player. A one year rental would be GM malpractice.

Get over it.

Hell no. How is he any different then Eovaldi? You want to go a bit higher fine but I don't see the logic in offering someone with his injury history a 5 year deal. Personally if we are not going to sign a front line starter I'd rather get some SP via the trade market.

Typical SoxTalk overreacting to something that’s not even a big deal. I think this was an overpay, but it’s not the end of the world like you guys are making it out to be.

Would rather have Castellanos anyways.

Insanity is 11 years without a playoff appearance as the only large market team in a division filled with 4 of the 8 lowest local tv broadcast rights deals in all of MLB...and operating like a “beg packer” in Thailand instead of a Top 10-12 franchise in terms of Forbes valuation. At one point we were 8th. Now we are all the way down to #13-14-15 because of JR/KW/Hahn...so the question remains, do we really want to win it all or just put the team in a position to be contending and make more moves in June/July? Even that strategy is dubious when you need to run $160+ million payrolls to get to the ALCS/NLCS.

Honestly, I respect the free agents that go back and check with the club they were with, it shows a sign of respect and a sense of loyalty. Leverage? Maybe, but idk. I know Buehrle did that with us when he went to the Marlins... He had loyalty for us and the respect to ask us again. Good on Wheeler regardless of it works out for us or not.

Abreu's extension was awful. So no, not better spent.

I certainly wouldn’t mind Castellanos. I liked him more when I thought he could move to DH after a year, but Abreu’s deal makes that difficult. And I actually don’t hate his defense as much as others. He’s only played RF for two years, and he showed improvement in the second year. He just seems like a guy who will continue to improve defensively.

Ideal: Mookie Betts signs next year with Puig as a short term stop gap this year Good: N. Castellanos signs this year and rakes for us, although defense be dammed. Good: We trade some prospects for Starlin Marte and rock it out. Mediocre: Puig as a short term gap and try the market again in the next year or two The bad: Anything like Garcia/Engel etc.

Brett Gardner might still become available and a pretty good player on a 1 or 2 year deal.

I can't believe we just LET Quintana go. He was a 22 year old LEFTY coming off a 10-2 record with a sub 3 ERA and we just dumped him on the side of the road. We are the dumbest organization ever. If we'd kept him we probably win three World Series and then we trade him to the Cubs...imagine our team with Jiminez and Cease added to our core....its the fifties all over again. Honestly I cant get over it. Wait...this is meatball Yankees talk, right?

Tatis is awesome. However OP, if the white sox didn't make this trade, they would have made other moves around it. You can't just take the trade away and assume all else stays the same. (butterfly effect?). So, if it eases your mind, they probably still would have traded him away for a different package or something a long the lines. Who knows. Ultimately, not worth banging your head about.

I’d ban bet him that he’d stand up.

He wants to trade Cease for him. Has said it many times. Its crazy.

Loved him on the Bulls

Ahhhh, now it’s juiced balls. Got it.

Focusing on the past will lead to depression Focusing on the future will lead to a anxiety True peace is found by focusing on the present.

It's done, it's over. Worst part is we got damaged goods and Padres didn't get disciplined.

It's possible Betts produces more value next year than Madrigal will in his entire career.

Cease

“I don’t care where I’m going as long as I see a future in the pitching staff,” Grandal said during Thursday’s conference call. “If I see that I can help that pitching staff, for me that’s pretty much No. 1. So, their sales pitch was: Look at the young arms we have, look at the guys we have coming up. We have an opportunity here to win, and we think you can help them out.” “Even if you just look at the team and the core, there’s a lot of young talent,” Grandal said during his Thursday conference call. “The way that I looked at it, this team could be a dark horse in the next year or so.” https://ontapsportsnet.com/2019/11/22/grandal-signing-abreu-extension-signal-that-the-white-sox-refuse-to-lose-again-this-winter/

This is a tough one. The Yankees should rightfully be concerned and have a say in things that will affect his performance. Seeing some of the absolute quacks out there over the years would make me require approval as well. However, to totally void a contract seems too extreme.

Look at his spray chart. He hits with more frequency and pop to the opposite field compared to pretty much any young hitter in the game today. Remember...he was only 20. Moncada required how long to hit his stride? Personally... I think he's closer to an 875~900 ops guy than 950~1000+, but his base running and defensive ability (once he settles into his career) are Top 3~5% in the big leagues. He already has the best arm... and still might grow another 1/2" or 1". When all is said and done... a player of that size has never managed SS in the way he does in terms of athleticism. A Rod is the best comp, not Griffey Jr. IF IF IF he can stay healthy.

I totally disagree. Tatis was an A ball player when this started.

I think you're seeing marketing angles where none exist. How will the Sox market Puig ? Hey Sox fans watch this dude ignore coaches telling him where to position himself in the OF , watch him ignite bench clearing brawls that could result in someone more important getting hurt, watch him continuously overthrow cutoff men with his rocket arm , look on in amazement as he licks his bat and best of all listen to him talk and say things like "The last couple years, I didn't work hard because I still have a contract to go," Puig said in February, per Alden Gonzalez of ESPN. "Now I think I'll work hard more than any year in my life." (because he was going to be a free agent.) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2822390-yasiel-puig-says-he-didnt-work-hard-in-the-past-due-to-being-under-contract

damn you archived my dumb three beers in post after I deleted.

I've said repeatedly it's a slight overpay but should have no impact on their ability to compete or win games, and I am happy to reward people like Abreu as that's how business works in the real world.

So again, if 2 years 28 million is going to cripple this franchise or hamper them going forward then sustained success never ever stood a chance.

I don't like it, but it's realllllly not that big of a deal.

I'm with you here. If Madrigal hits over .300 in the spring and continues to walk and not strikeout then he should play opening day. Forget the money, we want the wins and to show the AL Central we are serious about winning.

McCann is an excellent backup. Nothing more.