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An article in The Athletic put it a lot better than Me, although it was the mist of what I have been trying to say. The owners are capitalists when things are going well and socialists when times are a bit tougher.

I agree. You can do all that stuff from home over a video-chat.

It's not frustrating at all. This was never going to be some free agent signing frenzy that for some reason people thought it would be. They have until Aug 1 to sign players. There is no rush. The only players signed are sr signs and a couple dumbass high schoolers. Fear not. They will sign guys you've never heard of and will never hear from again.

Some of you must have sore backs carrying water for the owners. There is so much supposition on this thread, without having any facts in evidence. We all want to have MLB on TV this year. But I can't feature the socialization of losses for a group of @ssh0les that have all the advantages that MLB owners have. Carry on, then...

You have never engaged in an honest and open discussion. You have never acknowledged anything despite all of your pretending to not understand things that just happened to all fall along a single partisan line. If you ever want to drop the dumb greg act there are plenty of people who will engage you in an open and honest exchange. Until then don't come in here and demand satisfaction on some point while pretending to have been a full intellectual participant in this discussion. The day you drop the greg act, and actually act like the real person you actually are people will treat you with a real level of respect again. Until then, take your demands and stick them with the rest of the trash.

cut it out.

The owners want to implement a 48-54 game season. They can't do that right now though because there's time on the calendar for way more games than that. In fear that they'd lose the grievance, they are looking to prolong this even further. I'm sure they'll mandate a 54 game season in a couple weeks when that is theoretically the maximum number they could do based on the calendar.

Time for everyone to call their reps and tell them to remove MLB's antitrust exemption

I recapped the 2020 draft for the White Sox here: https://www.futuresox.com/2020/06/13/premium-talent-the-focus-for-white-sox-in-2020-draft/ Premium talent was the focus but some trends seem to be forming for future years.

Wrong. Katy Perry’s Bootyhole is the best in the business.

Agreed. Anyone not loving this draft is insane. And I don't even love Crochet..

what

3-5 years is way too big of sample size, IMO. Teams have changed a lot in 5 years. But maybe doing something like the combined records of 2019 + 2020 would be fair. Basically a 220ish game sample size.

Trevor Bauer is awesome and I want him in a Sox uni whenever baseball is to be played again. I'm not expecting baseball until 2023 at this point. 2020-2022 are fucked.

Idk about short term, this has turned into a proxy war for no reason.

I'm trying to find out what it means for the next period. It's stupid though because dates are arbitrary. All of these clubs have agreements in place for July 2 already. They won't become official until January now. All of these clubs also have agreements in place for July 2021. I would think that period stays the same because of the expiration of the CBA next December but we'll see. This could theoretically help the White Sox quite a bit though in their pursuit of Cespedes and Colas though.

Wow. What a ******* shame. The players literally said "tell us when and where." They gave full unilateral power to their bosses to tell them what to do. And now Manfred is saying they might not play?? After just a few days ago saying 100% they will play? Wtf? How idiotic. What a sham this has turned out to be.

Toxic. All of it

They grabbed two guys that are top 20 talents on paper at the weakest area of the club (pitching). I don't really care how much they had to skimp after those guys to get it done. They got aggressive and nailed it.

The owners. It's clear that the owners think they are above downside risk. That's horse shit.

So dumb. We'll get through one month of games and we'll be like, damn season's almost over already. 2nd wave of virus is coming, probably already here... I love baseball more than the next guy, but maybe they should just cancel it. Is 50 games really worth it?

Royals: Saul Garza, C/DH, Louisiana State | Link | Scouting Report (No. 379 on BA 500) Kale Emshoff, C, Arkansas-Little Rock | Link | Scouting Report (No. 174 on BA 500) John McMillon, RHP, Texas Tech | Scouting Report (No. 357 on BA 500) A.J. Block, LHP, Washington State (No. 20 on Baseball America's top undrafted seniors list) Tucker Bradley, OF, Georgia | Scouting Report (No. 317 on BA 500) Chase Wallace, RHP, Tennessee | Scouting Report (No. 440 on BA 500) That's like a 6th, 11th, 12th, 13th and 15th round pick, plus probably a top 10 round pick for a cheap senior signing. All for $120k. They had a game plan and they are executing it better than anyone right now.

I think the most fair thing would be combined 2019 and 2020 record. That way you do consider 2020 results but you are getting a decent sample size and the worst teams draft highest. For the sox that would of course be great as they were bad last year but projected to be better so with a combined record they could get like the 16th picks despite let's say their 2020 record giving them the 22nd pick (if they are that good hopefully).

Was it by any chance advertised on Fox or Fox News Channel? Your exuberance seems over the top...like a certain someone describing the state of the economy.

He was the first guy I thought of when this period began. Would be nice to have Nick's brother in the system. Sox are usually very good with reuniting blood lines.

Owners. They signed a contract with the players and are now renegging on it after the players already agreed to concession. They want to spread their losses with the players but wont spread their gains. They come out with these completely unbelievable/incomplete financial figures to try and garner public support and shift blame onto the players.

Surprised they haven't signed Madrigals brother.

If JR, who, according to Forbes made $66 million with the White Sox last year, and has often said his only goal was to break even, shared that profit with players and White Sox employees, you may have a point.

Let there be issues. There was going to be a fight anyway. The owners could have made it a bit better by actually taking some risk here.Caving to ownership isn’t a solid strategy, especially when they won’t prove their claims. If the person or corporation owning the place you work said we didn’t make any money this month, next month looks bad, in fact the next year looks not so hot, we I’ll pay you 1/3 of your salary to work 1/2 the time, I am sure they would be tickled you understood and were on board covering for them. I am guessing most of your colleagues would flee.

That doesn’t matter. Their guaranteed contracts aren’t tied to how much money the owner makes. The owner can make unlimited money. The player only gets paid what his contract says he gets paid. Besides, even you acknowledge the owners won’t show the players how much they will lose The players are taking the health risks and having to go through all of what they will go through. Pay them what they are contractually obligated to be paid, and if it results in a loss, that is part of owning a business. If a recently re-opened restaurant wanted to triple their prices to make up for r losses in a pandemic, there is probably a good chance most patrons, even if they were sympathetic, wouldn’t feel obligated to bail them out, and choose some other place to eat. Now, if they had an attendance clause in their contract, that stated if the team only drew x amount of fans or less, they would be guaranteed less, then they would have a point. Most people get some sort of raise and some sort of bonus every year. If the company they work for says they didn’t make any money so no raises and no bonuses, they might be able to get away with it once, but even then, tend to lose their better people. Sometimes ownership has to bite the bullet. They can afford it.

Passan is the best in the business.

I think they should keep the draft order the same for next year or do like a lottery and switch up the top 5. I don't think you can take records from a 54 game season to determine the draft order.

Situations change. They couldn't start in March, so a new decision had to be made. It's billionaires fighting with millionaires over the money they receive from fans who can barely afford going to a game. And the thousandaires will pick sides? They both are to blame. Remember whose money it begins with that they are fighting over. Both sides are screwing over the fans.

I'm guessing culinary tourism isn't a thing there in Kansas. How about dropping the Greg trolling act and register a different user name and start over? Isn't playing a country bumpkin getting tiring?

The Wynn is opening up their buffet next week. Head to Vegas, take all the selfies you want....even stick you balls in the jello. Will that cheer you up?

^^^

This. The owners are just full of shit. Always have been.

Owners agreed to pay in March. To renege is disgraceful. Pay the players what you agreed already.

Owners. Play ball. Show some leadership. Take a hit for one season. If it's like this next season, then be hardline.

Greg’s schtick is stupid. There are thousands of better ways to spend your time.

- Owners don't have to pay minor leaguers, which they long acted is a major expense. Hell, they've cut entire teams. - Owners don't need to do stadium operation costs. - Owners won't open the books - Owners keep proposing the same offer time and time again. They're bad faith negotiators who previously agreed to a deal. They could have possibly made profit if they started sooner, they didn't. This all lies at the feet at the owners.

You are all for owners not having to lose any money, but seem to have no problem with the player supposedly guaranteed $20 million this season getting paid $6 million. Ken Rosenthal had a proposal which, if the owners are being straight, something most people find laughable, would cost them each $20 million this year. Or one year of James Shields. 72 games full pro rated salaries. Seems reasonable. If that is too much water for an ownership to take on, they need to get out of the business. https://www.forbes.com/mlb-valuations/list/#tab:overall

I think this draft worked out amazing for the White Sox and I have absolutely no complaints. Realistically, the White Sox just added two guys that you could argue should've been Top 12 picks. I also like that they're on completely different timetables. Crochet should be a quick-to-the-majors kind of guy. I would imagine that the organization would like to have him on the big league roster in 2022. Kelley is only 18 and was arguably the best high school player in the draft. He will have a ton of time for development and will most likely be on the same trajectory as Thompson and Dalquist. That is an impressive trio on the rise together.

RIP Macho Man

Colas is almost exactly 3 years older than Bailey and has played at significantly higher levels of baseball than Bailey has. He is almost certaintly a better hitter, but that's not a fair question. Bailey might already have a better approach at the plate, but that's tough to say from one year playing in the DSL.