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Well there’s very little margin for error when the frugal owner operates as he does. Doesn’t play at top of free agent market, doesn’t spend on 16 year old international talent, doesn’t spend money on prep players in round 1, etc. Fuck Jerry Reinsdorf. Nobody should feel bad for him.

Yes

You people do not obviously consider defense at all. And offensively it's already pretty close. Vazquez is way better than Grandal.

In what world is Christian Vazquez better than Grandal? I’m gonna need this explained to me. That’s absurd.

It was pointed out somewhere that Rendon will likely get a contract double the size of Springer and is a very comparable player overall. Given our massive hole in RF, adding a player of his caliber for anything below 5/$125M is an absolute steal. Do that, add a couple of B/C tier starters in free agency, and save your chips for the deadline in the event you still need a TOR starter.

YourWhatHurts? My head.

What a dumb post

Why doesn’t McCann get shit on the way Grandal does when he drops pop ups or gets called for multiple catcher’s interferences?

I have said this for years and I still say it. Grandal is the #1 catcher in the game. I like him over realmuto

I can’t

It's weird man, I don't get it.

I know I don't come on this board much anymore, but is there really a subset of fans that don't like Grandal? I'm so confused. He's a slam dunk top 3 catcher in the game. How is this a real thing?

Christian Vazquez is not, and never has been, better than Yasmani Grandal.

Wong was a 5 WAR player in 2019 and is consistently between 2 and 5 WAR. He’s also a gold glover and lefty.

Should fire the GM then if that’s how he feels

2 people died from Ebola, the right said Obama should resign. 4 died in Benghazi, Hillary had to testify for 11 hours, they had 33 hearings in a multi year probe. 250k died because Trump decided Coronavirus was over, so they cheer him on and play along with him about maybe he didn’t lose an election.

What's the batting value on a walk off bomb?

I just posted one blog link because there are videos in it showing off his arm and pickoff throws. But of course because it's a blog with a spelling error the evidence of at least some of his defensive abilities can be ignored. Yep, sounds like a typical Grandal supporter. I bet even TLR's wife doesn't even make as many excuses for his behavior as you Grandal supporters make for Grandal's behavior.

Why do we care. F them. We have our own crazy issues

Must be a sad life you live that you have nothing better to do on a Saturday night than troll on a White Sox message board.

There is a lot of talk from one insider.

I can't either

https://vendettasportsmedia.com/christian-vazquez-best-cather-baseball/ There are a lot of things on the internet. But Grandal is often a dope and Vazquez is one of the top defensive C in baseball, and his offensive game has developed as well. He's cheaper also. He's just better. There was something I read in the offseason also about a scout talking about Realmuto being the clear #1 and Vazquez the clear #2 and then there's a big dropoff after that. But if all you want to think about is framing or whatever than I guess whatever. But Vazquez is still better anyway.

Even if they are trying to resign McCann, how does that contradict what I said?You said JR is tired of throwing money at free agents and getting nothing in return. Well, they threw money at Grandal and got exactly what they paid for. They also threw money at Kuechel and got more than most people expected.

I get Grandal can be frustrating player at times, but the hate he gets on this board is astounding at times.

And never will be

Aside from that, good trade.

What?

Guys lets get some juicy rumors going instead of this boring dialogue i come here for the juice but all im getting is the sweat

I’m not sure “capitalism“ actually exists. Walmart, Amazon, etc. often get huge land discounts and tax advantages because they “create jobs.” Corporate farmers, oil companies, etc. get subsidies. Airlines, car manufacturers, banks, etc. get bailouts. Real estate tycoons are able to offset their “losses” and end up paying little to no taxes. In a true capitalist society, the strong survive. Why is it ok for the government to assist these people but not the poor and disadvantaged? Why do Fortune 500 companies receive government assistance that isn’t available to small businesses owners, small time landlords, and single family farms?

This is rich.

He threw a bunch of money at two big free agents last year and got a lot in return.

Totally agree. I'm a little worried they aren't going to go outside the box for the bench job. But the Katz hiring gives me hope they can get someone good from outside the organization.

You do realize that people who stood up for those things and ran on them overwhelmingly won re-election, right? The Democrats who tried to distance themselves from those policies had either lost or had a tough race. Of those who co-sponsored M4A, all won re-election. 99 out of 100 HOR members thant co-sponsored the GND won re-election. Florida(a notoriously purple state) voted for a $15 minimum wage. Policies that help the average American win.

3rd city you heathen

I’m very pro springer. Happy Sox are interested.

Here's the beauty of Mitch McConnell. He made you blame Nancy Pelosi for things he did. Observe timeline. 1. Democrats pass bill in the House in May, $3 trillion+ including aid to states, checks to everyone, aid to restaurants, schools, etc. Dead on arrival in Senate. https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-05-16/house-passes-3-trillion-coronavirus-stimulus-package 2. Democrats try to negotiate. McConnell allows 2 votes on $600 billion-scale bills that he know won't pass. Both bills fail in their votes. https://www.vox.com/2020/9/10/21429678/senate-stimulus-vote https://www.vox.com/2020/10/21/21525735/mitch-mcconnell-stimulus-senate-vote 3. Democrats keep trying other offers. Here's dropped to a $2.2 trillion bill. https://appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/house-democrats-release-updated-version-of-the-heroes-act 4. McConnell generally disapproves of the whole thing. Nothing gets passed whatsoever. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/20/business/us-economy-coronavirus 5. You blame the Democrats for being stubborn and not negotiating, when they did. You can literally look at the list of bills they passed and how they offered compromises in the middle, but that's not good enough unless it's 100% his bill. That's the amazing success of McConnell at destroying our system. He knows if he refuses everything, you blame both sides, because it can't possibly just be his fault right? He's played you like a fiddle.

I posted this elsewhere a while back, but it is also appropriate here. It's too bad Jose didn't get here 2-4 years earlier, because he could/would be looking at HOF numbers.

Ahem, on Soxtalk we refer to them as "sauces", thank you very much.

Could be all three no doubt, but the Portillo’s account was tweeting stuff silently for months before anyone noticed. Their first post is leaking the Bummer deal back in February, three months after the Not Steve Cishek account was created and when that account still had credibility. It’s clear as day to me that Cheesy Beef account was created in some desperate attempt to validate the Not Steve Cishek account. Those two are definitely one and the same. I think the Portillo’s account is someone else, but likely someone in the same inner circle. It’s very clear there is a small group of people who have access to some inside info, whether it‘s coming from a shared source or it’s being shared to them second hand from a more reliable insider like Y2Jimmy. Most of the stuff Not Steve Cishek broke are things that James had at roughly the same time and his big trade deadline deal that was supposed to be happening with the Brewers seems to overlap with bad info that WSD also had. To me, these accounts all fall in one of three buckets: 1) They’re completely fake. 2) They’re legit insiders using burner accounts to avoid outing their sources. 3). They have access to inside info but it comes from a friend so they can’t leak it on their personal account. IMO, Not Steve Cishek likely falls into bucket three as we have seen him get some things right. Portillo’s is still up in the air, but I could see him being in that second bucket. Again, just strange they posted for months and continued to do so without anyone noticing.

Sox should approach the Red Sox about Grandal + Lopez + 1-2 small pieces for Vazquez + Eovaldi. Money should be pretty close. Vazquez is an upgrade over Grandal and Eovaldi becomes the 5th starter/swingman. At least he should be able to split the #5 slot with Kopech this year and maybe with Crochet next year. I bet the Red Sox want out of that money.

I certainly hope TLR's lineup card sharpie will be kept locked up behind bulletproof glass and attached to a breathalyzer machine. He shouldn't be able to fill out the lineup until he can pass a breathlyzer.

What I'm saying is that there's too much competition for decent jobs. I've seen it way too much with my peers. They went to college, got an in-demand degree and then 2008-09 happened. The economy took a shit and companies made a deliberate choice to shut out college grads.

Totally on board with this.

Let’s be real. Portillos could be Rick Hahn telling us Springer is their number one target. Even then the odds it actually ends up in him signing would be <50%

Jose seems to be a genuinely kind , family oriented person . I think we would be remiss if we didn't mention his early connection with Minnie Minoso. Minoso and Abreu are very much alike in that they are very grateful to had the opportunity to live and play in the US and better their lives and saw that opportunity to better the lives of his teammates with his wisdom.

Honestly wouldn't care if he didn't like me. Plenty of people on the internet who don't and I'm an idiot who gives people reason to feel that way by my rhetoric online sometimes. I def think it's unfair unless you've met me in person, but it is what it is. That said the whole tired act of "barstool is racist and sexist" is so goddamn stupid. Ask the many people of color or our CEO, CMO and CFO if they think barstool is racist or sexist. Then on the flip side, google some of the horror stories of shit that has gone on ESPN. Nobody says a peep about them being racist or homophobic It just annoys me to no end. Fuck off

Funny how both guys labelled as cheaters found jobs pretty easily without much backlash. White Sox could have easily hired Hinch and been totally fine with the right amount of PR savvy...