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Haven't you lost and welched on like 7 ban bets at this point? They'll welcome you.

Yeah...those singles hitters that hit .340 in their rookie year are really easy to find. Give me a break.

Yeah...it might have been a little higher once he gets acclimated to the league. Good point.

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Good riddance. Dude's probably coached thousands of players the odds there's a good candidate who also played for him arent that low.

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So those things count and his .340 BA and his 108 OPS + don't . Got it. So rookie mistakes and errors can't be fixed and he can't possibly make adjustments and wait til the pitchers make adjustments to him and outfielders play right behind the infield and he will be useless. I understand now.

My God, you are an idiot.

You can just say you don't know what a platoon system means

Imagine the ammunition you would have had if it was .240 in those 29 games. And yet the Madrigal bashers seem to always mention his bad base running, baseball IQ , and bad fielding that occurred in those 29 games.

Will you be Hankerin' for Hoerner then?

Looks like we know who is calling the shots now. F this. I'm rooting for the northside next year.

You pretty much always WERE wrong about him.

Not that we need another TLR thread, but I just want to say my peace where it might get noticed. Tony LaRussa was hired for one purpose - to help the Sox win playoff appearances, Division titles, Pennants, and World Series Championships. No one alive today has won more of those things in baseball than Tony LaRussa. Yet, the fanbase and commentators across baseball have widely derided this hire as a massive mistake by the White Sox. LaRussa himself has been criticized as: 1) out of touch with today's athletes, and the Sox players in particular, 2) unable to incorporate modern analytics into his managing, 3) racist for his early rejection of kneeling during the national anthem, 4) incompetent because he hadn't called his players as soon as he was announced as manager, 5) a relic of the past because he hasn't managed since 2011, 6) too old, 7) a drunken irresponsible person for getting a second DUI arrest, and many other things. Sox fans and others have also derided the process by which he was hired, as an edict from Jerry Reinsdorf that in their eyes directly contradicted Rick Hahn's wishes, thereby neutering Hahn's role with the Sox going forward. These commentators refuse to take Hahn's comments during the press conference announcing LaRussa at face value, assuming he was lying to cover up a broken process. I think nearly all of that is irrelevant. Tony LaRussa may or may not succeed as the Sox' manager in 2021 and beyond. But he should not be judged on the process. He should be judged on whether he gets the results he was hired to achieve - playoff appearances, division titles, pennants, and WS championships. The man has managed 5097 games. His teams have made the playoffs 14 times in 33 seasons. They have 6 pennants and 3 World Series titles. He won the World Series with an 83-win and a 90-win Cardinals team, which suggests he doesn't need the most dominant team in baseball to win it all. He's had a winning record at all three stops - Sox, A's, Cardinals. Whatever process Tony LaRussa has used to achieve these milestones, with 33 different collections of players, is okay by me. I defer to his expertise and experience in these matters, because like every other fan and commentator on TLR, I've never managed a major league baseball team or game, and I don't pretend to know more than the guy who is third all-time (about to be second, and the only one to manage during an integrated league) in managing major league games. If you are so disgusted with the Sox over this hire that you want to boycott the team or the games, or give up your fandom, that is your right. And you can continue voicing your criticism of this hire if you like till the cows come home. For me, it's all about the Ws, especially during crunch time. That's where Rick Renteria failed, and it's why he had to go. I expect Tony LaRussa will get better results.

Why shouldn’t Tony have a say in who his bench coach is? I have no problem with this.

Lol whatever. He was a 17-18 year old kid then. NCAA shouldn't have such a broken, exploitative system in the first place.

I actually appreciate the Bulls front office following their instincts. I think so many people get caught up on aggregate boards and value and less on principle when reality is there is a giant clutter of people who are pretty similar all across the board. And this year more than any year - makes things an even bigger crapshoot. I know nothing about him so hard for me to say and will be interesting to see what the Bulls do. I'm like Fathom though where there is something about Wendell that doesn't add up. I just don't get the impression that he puts the effort into his overall game. Opposite of Lavine - who I get why people have concerns, but he's kind of like Jimmy Butler (well no one is Jimmy Buckets) in the sense that every year he puts in a ton of work and gets better...period. Every year in this league (when healthy) Lavine has got better and so with that in mind, I don't mind an org betting on that person because you can at least see constant development. I haven't seen any of that with Wendell. He looks literally like the same player (sans a bit more muscle) as the day they drafted him.

Sounds like the Mets tainted some pee to get outa that 25 million

I read it wrong, I read it as if he was saying "Not wearing a mask is totally effective" as opposed to "no single mask is totally effective"

Before I address, thanks @Harry Chappas , I forgot Ted (and I’m am assuming RP goes). You are confusing two aspects of ownership. One is who is elected Managing Partner by all ownership interests. JR is the managing partner, elected by the other partners to run the day to day business on their behalf. There very well may have been owners with equal or more shares / percentage of ownership at the time of the purchase. However, Jerry was elected to manage the day to day affairs, and receive separate compensation for his labor, in addition to shared profits enjoyed by all minority owners on a pro-rata share basis. Theo would likely be an owner with limited capital, but would earn substantial compensation in addition to his passive partnership profit participation. JR used total compensation across both entities to buy out other owners over the past four decades. The other is the term “profits” or gains. There are three types of gains or losses all owners share while owning a ball club. Net Profits / Losses owners claim as baseball revenue: These include a substantial portion of revenue, and all expense, including expenses not subject to cash outlays such as depreciation on capital assets such as players, stadiums, etc. This is the information owners may disclose, typically in a manner most advantageous to them (we lose barely make money). It also includes the depreciation losses that they use to reduce their taxes paid, though they are not depleting their cash. Profits owners do not claim as baseball revenue, but are still real: For example, MLB media, auxiliary revenue such as parking lot income, television revenues (for team owned networks and the MLB network), and other revenue. Owners owned equal share in profits of MLB media at an equal 1/30 share. They are required to pay taxes on realized income. However, for the sake of what they communicate to players and fans, this is revenue they do not “count” when declaring whether they “lost” money. Another good example is the Cubs (Marquis) or Sox (1/3 NBCSC) counting a contractural payment to the club for broadcast rights as the sole revenue for the ball club, but realizing profits on both the ball club and the television stations they own. To summarize these two sets of profit, for the sake of what they disclose and pay tax on, owners overstate losses and understate income whenever it suits them (player negotiations, IRS filings, media disclosures). Forbes does the best they can with information available and projections of what is not available, to provide the best information they can of total profits realized by baseball owners. Capital Gains: This is the overall net increase or decrease in the value of the club. These gains are tax deferred and not realized until a minority owner sells. This is similar to increases you may experience as an individual for ownership of your home, stocks or mutual funds. Prices go up and down, but you don’t receive cash, or pay tax, until you sell. You can borrow on these assets to an extent, but otherwise you can’t receive cash (unless you rent your house, and one also received interest and dividends from investments) until you sell. This is an extra component owners do not “share” with players when they talk “revenue sharing”, but yet another example of profits they do realize and benefit on when they sell, and that they can also leverage when borrowing while they own the team. Hope this helps explain why owners can cry poor and say they lose money, but are in reality totally full of shit in nearly all cases. Even during COVID / no fan seasons, they didn’t earn what they typically do across the board, but they did not lose anywhere close to what they are crying, and in some cases, still may have profited.

At this point, you probably owe everyone apologies for being wrong about Abreu constantly lol

Lol “People love not loving it!”

Both can be true. There is a difference in having an asset appreciate in value, and making money off of said asset. Think of it as your house. Your house generates no revenue at all during a year, yet its value goes up. You don't actually HAVE that money until you sell though. That isn't to say these guys aren't making money on an annual basis, but that is a different conversation.

They are about the same based on near exact same playing time and performance last year. Baseball Reference has a higher OBP projected for Madrigal by 42 points. fWAR - Fan Graphs 2020: Mendick 0.3 (114 PA) vs. Madrigal 0.1 (109 PA) 2021: Madrigal 1.7 (500) vs. Mendick 1.6 (532 PA) bWAR - Baseball Reference (2021 bWAR not available, used OPS) 2020: Mendick 0.6 (114 PA) vs. Madrigal 0.4 (109 PA) 2021 Mendick .720 (261 PA) vs. Madrigal .762 (255 PA) Baseball Prospectus WARP (2021 based on 2019 projections 2021 on legacy card (2021 from 2020 not available) 2020: Mendick 0.4 (114 PA) vs. Madrigal 0.4 (109 PA). 2021: Mendick -0.2 (453 PA) vs. Madrigal -0.4 (425 PA).

It was 29 games.

There is zero % chance Kris Bryant is non-tendered. If he were, the Ricketts should be forced to sell the team. And theo talking about the game changing and etc. Baseballs biggest problem is not that the game has slowed or the ball is juiced or the shift... baseballs biggest problem is that far too many teams and owners are not actually trying to win.

"Sissifaction" and hurt feelings over players enjoying their accomplishments, all in the same post. The hypocrisy is strong in this one.

^Whoever posted the laughing face smiley to this is a loser. I'm really sick of seeing this crap here. If you disagree, make a comment as to why. Remember that this is a discussion board. The Cubs are likely going to nontender Kris Bryant, the former face of their franchise, because they don't want to risk having to pay him like 4 or 5 million more than he's worth. Meanwhile 1.5 years ago Darvish was a bad contract who refused to opt out and test the market because he knew he couldn't get anything near what the Cubs owed him. And Heyward has been a bad deal since Year 1. There's a "quote" button if you have something to disagree with. The laughing smiley icon is just lazy. Whoever did that, fuck you. Not only are you stupid but you're lazy. Also that's not a personal attack because the person who did it is anonymous.

How does Bauer not fit in the clubhouse? Seems to me his swagger would fit in just fine. Not saying the sox get him, but I'd probably prefer the Sox offer 4/$130M to Bauer and sign a stop gap in RF than sign Springer to 5/$115M. Obviously I'd take either, but I think the money is better spent on an absolute stud in the rotation. Sox offense will still be really good without Springer. Can't say the same about the rotation without another TOR SP.

Yep. Vassal played only 28 mpg, and Williams had 4th most minutes on team despite being 6th man.

Bum shoulder causes you to act like you’ve never played a ball near the lip of the grass before? Again, it doesn’t really matter what we think. From the sounds of it, the Sox aren’t as high on him as they used to be.

It's exactly what it is. Now we need the reichstag fire.

Call it what it is: an attempted coup

BTW, Joe Musgrove would be a huge get. That guy could be in Cy Young contention next year.

Three Floyd's Gumballhead is one of my favorites, especially on tap.

Except for when low revenue teams at the bottom are stuck there forever.

Hahn does not share in the blame for poor management, decisions and trades...just the ones that work out.

Obviously WAR is important but simply using WAR as the lone foundation of so many arguments against Jose as if it is the only stat that matters is essentially lying with statistics. He's also played more than *2* seasons. There's a reason you have a really bad rep on this issue.

My guess is they are still negotiating the details of the contract with Ozzie and they are holding off any announcements until this is finalized.

Honestly the speed of this vaccine creation freaks me out a lot

I think my ideal draft would be trade down to 8 and get the knicks 23rd pick. Select Williams, Vassel or Halliburton at 8 and then Bolmaro, Anthony, Malochi Flynn (if wing picked at 😎 or would be really sweet if Pokusevski fell.

I could see it being an interesting moneyball type of thing where teams try to take advantage and horde draft picks because they come cheaper than minor leaguers in trades.

Not with that P.T. Barnum 2.0. running the show. Looks like the NY Mets to me. Gotta be a billionaire group out there willing to relieve us of this 40 year Reinsdorf malaise.

You’re using minor league win-loss records to evaluate pitchers???

For all of his bad deals , Theo is a historically great GM because he put the finishing pieces on the Red Sox and Cubs World Series teams. Hmmm... If I was JR , I'd interview Theo and see how much he wants on a three year deal. No Rick, , EE , Mazara , Gio Gonzalez Kuechel, and Grandal, Cishek.. were not going to do it. Rick grew up a Cub fan and that job is now open, so this might be a perfect swap.

They would be absolutely crazy to get rid of Eloy. This guy is the best hitting prospect the Sox have ever had. At least since Frank Thomas. Such easy power to all fields along with the ability to hit for average and with two strikes on him. And with his opportunity to learn the art of hitting from Jose Abreu, it is absolutely a joy to behold.

They aren't going to go after Bauer. He just doesn't fit the make-up of the locker room. What the Sox really have going for themselves is an almost ideal clubhouse right now(assuming that LaRussa doesn't F it up). Bring in a good stable guy like they did with Kuechel who knows how to win and who can be a role model for the young guns that they have and be done with it. Bauer won't fit.