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  1. Lol...who is trying to dumb Madrigal other than Harold & fathom? Fangraphs has him ranked 35th, MLBpipeline has him ranked 36th, & Baseball America has him 43rd. But I guess they missed those handful of fielding & base-running gaffes during his first major league season that suddenly erodes all his prospect value. And let’s ignore that .340 BA he put up that corresponded with an xBA of nearly .340. And I could give two shits that fans want to dump Cease for struggling during a bizarre pandemic fueled season and despite having less than a full season worth of starts. I’d wager large sums of money his value has diminished all that much and that almost every organization in baseball would love to get his hands on him and tap into his massive potential. Guys literally don’t go from the 25th prospect in baseball (where he capped out at with the major publications) to losing all their value over a poor 26 starts without an major injury or a complete loss of stuff. He has obviously lost some value, but professional front offices are way more patient than the common message board fan. Using Soxtalk as a point of reference for Cease’s value is laughable.
    4 points
  2. He isn't good defensively. Blackmon is paid 18.3m per year on average for 3 more years. He will be 34-36 during these years. He has a .747 OPS away from Coors. I'm not paying that dude 18m a year for 3 years when he is that old. The Sox wouldn't take him for free.
    3 points
  3. 3 points
  4. Why are you the way that you are?
    3 points
  5. If you go to their BP minor league page they will tell you if they were top 100 in BA, MLB and BP. They both were pre 2020. In fact, they both were top 26 guys for BP coming into this past 60 game season.
    3 points
  6. Blackmon is 34 years old, is no longer a good defender, is coming off a poor offensive season, and is scheduled to make $22M in each of the next two seasons. We can literally sign Joc Pederson for like 1/$10M and probably end up with a better player (when factoring Engel’s side of the platoon) for half the price.
    2 points
  7. Originally I had big plans for a lot of White Sox merch this Christmas, until the TLR train wreck happened. Instead this is my gift to myself. https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/refurbished-powershot-g1-x-mark-iii
    2 points
  8. How on earth could you possibly know who we are targeting, how much we will pay, contract values, length of contracts, cash contributions and timing if you don't tune in to this knowlegeable group who are all obviously connected to and in the room with Hahn during these discussions ?
    2 points
  9. Dunno about "satisfied," but I think this sort of offseason is what is likely to occur. I think Bauer and Springer are pipedreams; I think the offseason as you describe, coupled with average team health, average on field management, and a reasonable degree of progress from the extant roster should lead to the postseason in 2021.
    2 points
  10. Trumps legal team needs to be sanctioned for their frivolous suits. Their law licenses should be on the line.
    2 points
  11. Yep. Let's not use independent player rankings, zips, surplus value or likely competitive bidding for determining relative trade value when proposing trades. Instead, let's just go with our subjective viewpoints on what other teams should accept from us for their premiere talent.
    2 points
  12. Trade value is hard. I think surplus value is useless, and would really stress that there are more trades that have happened than just ones sox have executed. But yeah, if you are going to criticize others for not understanding value, get the value correct yourself. Im loathe to trade Vaughn. But if you decide Snell is that piece, I do think the rays listen. Him and Franco will add a really nice offensive profile to that team that needed more runs, and they have been so successful getting pitching performance. Marquez I’m just not interested in. The talent premium you are paying is for cost and control and that’s not a sox need right now. Snell it’s an added benefit, but main thing is he is a top pitcher you can’t get otherwise. But it isn’t happening and I think next few years there will be an opportunity for an ace at a reasonable cost. They need to be patient and scout well for productive depth until then.
    2 points
  13. Q put up 4.9, 4.3, and 4.9 fWAR in the seasons leading up to that trade. Marquez has 1 season above 4, with a 4.1 fWAR two seasons ago. Cease was in A and Eloy was in A+ during those trades. They weren't close to being MLB ready. I would bet that Vaughn and Kopech together put up a similar WAR total to Marquez NEXT season, even with service time gaming. You're doing our prospects dirty, Balta. Hahn should get tarred and feathered if he trades Vaughn and Kopech for Marquez
    2 points
  14. Yoan Moncada was the consensus #1 prospect in baseball at the time and Kopech was consensus top 30. Compare the value of the top 2 - Kopech and Vaughn are what, 1 top 15, one top 30 right now if they counted? Kopech might even be top 50? If Vaughn is the centerpiece, he's way below the value of Moncada at the time, generally he's somewhere around #10-15 so something else has to make up the difference between a #1 prospect included and a #10-15 prospect, and that has to be pieces 3-4. That's how I got to Vaughn, Kopech, Cease, and Madrigal - top 2 don't match the Sale deal, but back 2 make up the difference. Madrigal (top 100), Dunning might be borderline top 100 based on what he did this year, Cease and Stiever are outside the top 100 but moderately close? Even if Tampa Bay really, really liked those guys, they can easily find better talent.
    2 points
  15. If I were Tampa Bay, I would not give up Snell for that deal as if I were moving Snell I would expect I could get better than that from someone else. You are adding Kopech to the list or I'll find better elsewhere. Kopech, Vaughn, Madrigal, and Cease - you've probably got a deal. That contract is expensive for Tampa Bay, but under control for 3 years for that money, with a Cy Young award, money that works for 28/30 teams, you're talking a Sale level deal for him.
    2 points
  16. What is there to be skeptical of? Arizona placed a guy that the White Sox scouts liked on waivers. The White Sox claimed him. This sort of thing happens every offseason for every team.
    2 points
  17. Not the worst deal Hahn ever did. Most laughable, though.
    2 points
  18. He’s bad defensively. He’s not young. He’s still a pretty good hitter, though.
    1 point
  19. I feel the same and also throw in Gallo and Pederson
    1 point
  20. Paul Sullivan was on with Laurence Holmes and shared my opinion that Jerry was going to hire "his guy" regardless of what the Sox did in Oakland, and that it was made before the Cleveland series. I don't think Rick or Kenny had a say in the firing or hiring, and think Rick Renteria would have returned in 2021 if Jerry didn't intercede. 32:45-35:25 mark for discussion regarding the entire debacle. https://www.radio.com/670thescore/podcasts/laurence-holmes-on-670-the-score-61/holmes-paul-sullivan-interview-hour-1-350531224
    1 point
  21. It would hurt filling the RF and SP holes both with a trade of prospects, given that Hahn has stated that the money saved during the rebuild years would be spent in the future. That trade would be prospect heavy IMO.
    1 point
  22. New bold predictions for us: Springer - 5/$125M (announced this Tuesday) Richards - 1/$10M Colome - 1/$7M Lynn - Acquired for Stiever, Adolfo, & Sosa
    1 point
  23. I know everyone gets their "pet" idea to solve all the sox offseason problems each year. I have had some that I keep coming back to. So I have a few trade pairings from the same club and was interested which one you think would help the Sox most for the 2021 season only to win. Assume the trade package would be equal/fair or even substantial to all the things that have been thrown out on this strand. I look forward to hearing your answers. Hader and Cain Blackmon and Marquez Lynn and Gallo Heyward and Darvish Merrifield and Duffy
    1 point
  24. Again, not sure why so much hyperbole with Ozuna's defense lately. Also, virtually all contracts are an overpay these days. I'd rather overpay for a really solid OF than pay peanuts for a bad/mediocre one. That's the way this team has operated for years and it really needs to change.
    1 point
  25. Springer, Brantley, Ozuna for starters. Sorry you're not keen on an idea most of this board is behind. We're past the "cheating" part of this and I really don't want to have to go over the obvious reasons you should be overlooking that AGAIN because it's been done to death but either way for you to act like there aren't any options is ignorant. There are some really prime RF options available this offseason. Joc would be a mere consolation prize.
    1 point
  26. No reason for this to be a serious question.
    1 point
  27. How do you not factor MLB readiness into your evaluation? To me, a SP with a 3 starter ceiling performing well at AAA or MLB is WAY more valuable than a SP with an ace ceiling in A ball. The only exception would be if you're actively in a rebuild. As recently as 2.5 years ago, talent evaluators would've said Shane Bieber's ceiling was a 3 starter, despite him doing nothing but perform at every level. If in the beginning of 2018, someone had suggested Bieber for Kopech 1 for 1, most of this board would've lost their minds. In retrospect, however, it would've been one of the shrewdest moves the team could've made. The point being closeness to MLB ready must be and is a factor in any team's valuation of a player. It takes a lot less ceiling at AAA to get a MLB player than it does if the player is at A or A+.
    1 point
  28. It would depend on what was given up for Musgrove. Would personally prefer Bradley Jr for his defense / ability to play CF as needed. Quintana the only FA in this class less likely to come with Cooper gone. I don't see the White Sox signing any top tier FAs, perhaps Colome and a SP and/or RF at a Collusion 4.0 / COVID market discount. Jerry is more concerned with COVID and crushing the Players Union / CBA than winning anything.. An additional component is whether fans can even attend, or if the owners I planning to knock off 80-100 games off the schedule once again. I don't pay attention to what Portillo's, Al's Beef, SuperDawg, Maxwell Street Polish, Au Cheval, Mr. Beef, Tastee-Freez, Maxwell Street Polish, Red Hot Ranch or Wiener Circle are tweeting. .
    1 point
  29. Wasn't aimed at Balta...it was in support of his comment on how this board ignores independent and objective information when proposing or nixing hypothetical trades.
    1 point
  30. Very much. Though I’m really on the fence on whether we need to get a closer, vs filling out bullpen.
    1 point
  31. In case anyone is interested, BA is keeping track of all the affiliations/changes here. They're updating as the announcements come out.
    1 point
  32. I'm on your wavelength. Free agency works fine for plugging holes with decent players but seldom for teams that win bidding wars. Trades for other teams' stars usually result in overpays. Trading our stars for their package of prospects works well as that is how we got where we are today. Use our resources to strengthen the bullpen, solidify RF, and fine some depth for the rotation. RH has a knack for signing great extensions and ultimately that leads to top dollar received when trading players down the line. That is a good recipe for long term success.
    1 point
  33. I wouldn’t. Dunning looks like the real deal, even if his ceiling is limited to being a quality #3 starter. I’m giving up six years of that for two years of Musgrove.
    1 point
  34. Sox really don't need to make many moves. Don't create a hole at second base by trading Madrigal who is a perfect fit on this team. If Kopech and Crochet make a starting rotation that already has Giolito and Keuchel that would be awesome. Sox would still have Cease/Rodon/Dunning/ ReyLo for the fifth spot or the bullpen. I would like the Sox to sign McCann and then hold their cards unless they get blown away with some trade offer.
    1 point
  35. Didn't matter, because the Sox haven't done much with the draft during that period. The Cubs picked directly behind the Sox in 2015 and 2016, when the Sox were "trying" but sucking anyway. The Sox picked Rodon and Fulmer, the Cubs following took Schwarber and Happ. The changes in the scouting / drafting area have improved the last three years (Madrigal, Vaughn and Crochet), not sure the White Sox would have done better finishing any worse than they did, Not sure if they will regress once again with the scouting cuts Jerry implemented.
    1 point
  36. No one in baseball seems to know how many starters are needed and the Sox always run low by August. Hoping for sure that Q is invited back after a quirky year. No more kitchen accidents.
    1 point
  37. Sometimes you can find valuable things that get thrown away. James McCann , Max Muncy ,plenty of guys, and there will be a lot more on Dec 2nd.
    1 point
  38. Seemed like a good dude. Played way too much on our team unfortunately. Stole too many at bats from Yermin. Enjoy retirement sir.
    1 point
  39. It's a low risk, medium reward. The scouting reports seem to show a mid to back end starter ceiling.
    1 point
  40. He’ll be starting in AA and that’s what he should be doing. He needs innings. He’ll likely be up in September and playoffs out of bullpen though.
    1 point
  41. Can’t we sign him to a one day contract so he can retire with the White Sox?
    1 point
  42. TLR offered some Wild Turkey, but it was 3/4 gone.
    1 point
  43. Fake news: He retired in 2018.
    1 point
  44. https://theathletic.com/2209316/2020/11/19/white-sox-international-scouting/ Here's the whole article with Paddy
    1 point
  45. Baseball Prospectus Scouting Report: Arizona Fall League Scouting Report from October 2019. https://www.baseballprospectus.com/prospects/article/54685/notes-from-the-field-still-live-in-arizona-spencer-howard-more/ Emilio Vargas, RHP, Arizona Diamondbacks Vargas’ slider looked a lot more polished than it did when I last saw him at Visalia over the summer. Shifting shapes from 77 to 84, the pitch fooled many hitters, and he messed with timing with impressive finesse. His command has improved, as well, and he threw a 92-93 fastball mostly for strikes. The way the fastball leaves his hand is deceptive to hitters, as it has a lot of life to it and it moves more than it looks like it’s going to. Encouraging look. – Jen Mac Ramos
    1 point
  46. And here is one of my biggest peeves about this Presidential administration. If he wants to deem certain industries as essential, and demand that they go back to work in the most dangerous working conditions in a century, his obligation to those workers has only begun. At that point, that designation needs to open up the power and checkbook of the federal government to do whatever it takes to make that work environment as safe as possible, It shouldn't just be just buy yourself a mask and good luck. if the feds are deeming meatpacking essential, what are they doing to treat the workers like they are also essential lives. There are things we know and have learned about this virus that allow us to alter a worksite to make it much safer, but that costs money and resources, many that these businesses don't necessarily have. If President Trump wants to tell these people that their jobs are more important than their lives, I have a major problem with that. He is knowingly and willingly sentencing people to death, when with either an executive order, or by working with Congress, he could keep them alive.
    1 point
  47. Should just be Dumb about Baseball.
    1 point
  48. Will you be Hankerin' for Hoerner then?
    1 point
  49. Haven't you lost and welched on like 7 ban bets at this point? They'll welcome you.
    1 point
  50. One hopeful benefit of MLB taking over MILB is hopefully a little investment in the MILB.tv product (if there is a season in 2021). The setup to watch MLB.tv is awesome. The setup for MILB.tv is terrible. Give me a Roku app and the ability to stream those games easily.
    1 point
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