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It would be nice if the Sox just gave Bauer what he wants, keep the prospects, and win the World Series. That’s just me though.

Kopech is fine and it hasn't been "30 months". He worked up to and threw a completely dominant inning and touched 102mph/100mph/101mph just last March in a competitive spring start in AZ. If you don't believe me Passan just stated he's heard nothing but very good things about his work this winter. Kopech is good.

Which one of you changed Corbin Burnes to a White Sox player on Wikipedia?

Delete my account

Change front office to ownership and then sure

Yes it was.

Live look at the Sox hitting when Happ is pitching

We traded for Todd Ritchie when he was 30. Not sure how or why his name was brought up in the first place but it's a pretty awful comparison.

Agreed guys, White Sox have to keep that powder dry so they can also pass on more top level free agents next year.

We like, literally saw 60 major league innings of Burnes dominating MLB hitters en route to a cy young finish last year. We still don't know if Kopech can command his pitches or if his secondary stuff will locate well enough to be effective. He had like a month of showing that 2 years ago in AAA. And the response will be "he threw 101 so he's back". Back to what? He was never finished. He's got a great fastball. I hope it translates. It may very well not, no matter how alpha he is.

Dodgers fans:

Kopech's red flags are really piling up. He's coming off TJ surgery, he hasn't thrown a competitive pitch in 30 months, he opted out of last season for reasons (???) and he has a history of immature behavior that includes fighting with teammates and yet for some reason he's considered untradeable. I can only imagine the reactions if the Sox were looking to trade for a player with his recent history.

I really think it is more important to quit pretending like this wasn't as serious as it was, and that it instead was some sort of a harmless cosplay.

You forgot Moncada and Roberts.

I worked in the blue Jays front office in 2009. Harry Einbinder had an office to my left. Kevin Briand was across the hall. And, no joke, paul Beeston shared a wall on the right. At no point were the white Sox serious suitors for halladay and blue Jays scouts were bearish on beckham.

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25 minutes without a post? I’m disappointed in you guys!

Vaughn plus Madrigal, Heuer, Kelley would be absolutely horrendous. Just take Richards and keep all the talent. Vaughn should be totally off limits

Agreed or just keep them for the second part of the window. Just because JR is unwilling to pay money and both he and TLR have no incentive to care about the long term doesn't mean we deserve to have our window slashed in half.

Unless we can get Burnes for a Madrigal based package, just sign Richards and keep the ammo for the deadline IMO.

Obviously I'm not him, but he has stated several times that the Sox aren't trading Kopech, Vaughn or Crochet.

You don't really have a choice with Eloy. He's unbelievably bad as a defender and if we keep trotting him out there in LF he's going to suffer injuries. Eloy is way too valuable as a hitter to keep this carousel of injuries going on.

Excellent

yeah that's it

Burnes is a really nice arm that I'd love to have. But c'mon. I don't want to trade away major pieces of the future. Something like Cease, Stiever, Micker and Sheets..OK. But that's not going to be enough. I'd guess I'd be OK with moving Kelly just because he's so far away. Zero interest in trading any of Kopech, Madrigal, Vaughn, Crochet or major building blocks from MLB club for Burnes. I'd rather just spend $ on FA SP.....

I feel like Brantley is going to have a Carlos Beltran like aging. His profile is good for aging as a bat.

Also according to fathom I’m allowed to keep drinking this rumor for another 30 hours

I'm still having a hard time processing why this is a thing. The only plausible explanations: 1. The Brewers are bearish on Burnes and are actively trying to sell high. If so, you'd think there would be legitimate league wide rumors that he is being shopped, which as far as I can tell there are not. 2. Burnes is attached to a salary dump? I've speculated in the Sox buying bad contracts in exchange for value the past 3 offseasons where we seemingly had money to burn and it has never come true. It makes me sick to think of how man more solid young players we could have accumulated if Jerry would have dumped another 20 million per year. 3. Someone in our front office is enamored with Burnes and if this goes down we are going to be absolutely disgusted with what we have to give up. 4. The Brewers are going to completely tear down their team and for some reason their first move is trading an inexpensive young starter. 5. The weirdest smokescreen in recent memory.

If you're just looking backwards you're never going to see it.

Hmmm, maybe that is because Burnes has pitched at all the last couple years. And Kopech had a devastating elbow injury he needs to recover from and hasn't pitched at all in over 2 years. Maybe at least, I could just be making stuff up.

If RH had one of his guys (Q) at the price he wanted (8 mil) and let him go, he better hit on whatever he is working on or look out. Announcing JA Happ at 8 million isn't going to met with friendly fire.

Cease and desist.

I’ve said this multiple times on here but the White Sox aren’t trading Andrew Vaughn, Michael Kopech or Garrett Crochet for anyone this offseason.

Lucky for him the other team wasn’t interested.

Sometimes the best trades are the ones that aren't made. I'm sure plenty remember the jon Garland for Darin Erstad deal that fell through. Do the sox win the world series in 05 if that trade happens. I don't think so.

If I have the choice between backing up the truck for Burnes or cash for Richards, I am #TeamGarrett.

I’d be good with that. Keep the prospects for now

I guess I will say this: if the Sox make a stupid deal that bites them in the ass hard for next several years, because once again they fail to properly evaluate their own in-house talent, then I would rather they make that deal with the Brewers than any other team in baseball. If they trade one or several of my favorite Sox prospects, it will be much more fun at least half-rooting for them in Milwaukee instead of purely lamenting their losses and hating the Sox FO more and more every time they do something really good.

Yes because you want your baseball team to win. Owners who want to win spend money for good players. Cheap owners do not.

Don't mind not spending 16 million a year on Brantley.

If the white Sox were two games under .500 last season and shared the division with the dodgers and Padres, you believe that Bauer and a bat would be something you would consider a smart investment? I could only imagine the SF fan version of Balta melting the fuck down if they signed Bauer and....what bat is even available that could put them in contention for that third wild card? Ozuna? this was the lineup the ran out there at the end of the season last year, who makes them a contender? If Bauer wants to go there because he is gonna get paid handsomely, sure, but I don't think that team is poised to take a wild card spot when they have 38 games against the Padres and Dodgers every season.

Throwing darts. But yea, he’s done. Let’s trade him and Vaughn plus another prospect or two for Corbin Burnes. GTFO

Finally, this thread can be locked.

remember when you portrayed this as a polite disagreement and compared it to civil rights protests? lol Tex-posting is what happens when your brain defaults to Both-Sides in every possible circumstance and believe that the answer is always in the middle, no matter the circumstances.

I am President of a local scholarship found with about a million dollar endowment fund. I have done this for nearly 10 years in a few different terms. Most of the people who serve on the Board are teachers. There are none of them I would allow to teach my cat about personal finance. These people are incredibly smart in their fields of specialty, but that field does not include finance.

I'm a big fan of adding players to what we have that are all-star level, and not just "man if we just get 4.5 ERA out of them we'll be good". This is a tricky trade because it potentially swaps out part of existing talent, but I'm all in on the rumor. This guy is a stud next year and the years after. A rotation of Giolito, Burnes, Lynn, Keuchel, (remaining guy) is a group that will piss on the twins offense and help us win the division rather than not lose it. And he'd be around for years.

Because we love a team with a cheap owner and it influences the way we think about payroll. It's not a bad contract if you're serious about winning.

He discusses this on Chuck's podcast; he even notes that he saw there was a new thread when he signed.