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After seeing the Sox against the Astros and Yankees I have no idea how anyone thinks this team is capable of winning anything other than the shitty ALC.

The Sox have been completely exposed and embarrassed in this series, and there is no guarantee that Eloy and Robert will be anywhere close to the players they were when they come back...if they come back at all. Is it time to tear things down and get a haul for Lynn and Rodon at the deadline?

Ron needs to be sent down. This wasn't even a good attempt. He's just going through the troll motions now.

They can drop off Mercedes in Nashville. That’s where Charlotte goes next.

It’s blatant for Lynn, but Cease also has had his average spin rate drop the last 3 games compared to what he was throwing in May. So let’s be cautious about the construction of the White Sox’s house before throwing those stones.

Ineptitude is one thing. This was shit effort, and they need to be lit up for it. What a garbage performance this week. Garbage.

If Altuve is not my least favorite player, I don't know who is.

Delete this.

even I wouldn't post this

I don't want to sound like a poor loser, but the thought crossed my mind that the Astros might still be up to their chicanery. They seem to be especially good at scoring runs. They never did receive any punishment for their previous transgressions and they never seemed to exhibit much contrition. Apparently they don't use anything as obvious as beating on a trash can, but they certainly could be employing something much more sophisticated and difficult to detect. I have no proof and therefore this should not be misconstrued as an allegation. I'm just wondering. Hey, that's the price dishonest people pay for their transgressions, especially when they show little, or no remorse. Why should we believe, or trust them? Although the Astros do have the highest runs per game average in the Majors, they actually score even more, on the road. Therefore, if they are cheating, they might have devised a way to do it all of the time, not just during home games. It's not as though Major League Baseball has suddenly gotten a conscience and decided to refrain from breaking the rules. Witness the current controversy over "sticky substances". And who knows, if they are cheating, maybe they're not alone. Again, I have absolutely no evidence, however I remain suspicious. They do have a history, and you can't blame one for doubting whether they have actually been reformed. Any thoughts?

We have looked like dog shit this series... even though honestly it was going to happen at some point. But would like to point out that these Astros who are crushing us. at one point Lost 6 in a row and went 1-9 in that strech

Beautiful friend, the end... Jose with the lowest OPS of his career. Chw42 posted a very interesting stat yesterday. Jose vs. fastballs over 95 MPH this year: .158 BA and .237 SLG. Jose vs. fastballs over 95 MPH last year: .371 BA and .857 SLG. Jose vs. fastballs over 95 MPH in 2019: .348 BA and .623 SLG. Jose's bat just seems noticeably slower this year. He absolutely can't catch up to fastballs 95+ this year. The Sox really need his bat if they want to compete this year. It's very concerning.

If the team was healthy I’d 100% agree. But are you really looking at these lineups and thinking that under performing is the issue? I think we are sending out bad lineups that are performing about as expected. There’s just no way I can logically think that sending Luery, Mendick, Mercedes, Goodwin/Lamb/Eaton out as regulars for another month + is going to “work itself out”. The question for me is whether or not the pitching staff can continue to carry the team and keep things afloat until reinforcements come…or does a move need to be made sooner rather than later

I wanted 44-29 at the end of 31 games in 31 days. It’s 43-29 with one postponed. This series sucked, but with all the injuries, this was bound to happen eventually. Hopefully they get a couple good nights of sleep and then kick the Pirates around before another off day.

Always exciting to have 2 of the worst umpires in the game following along in the gamethread.

He's the Jose Abreu of the booth....trying to do too much when the team is struggling

Getting swept is never a good thing, but I think this series will be a much needed wake up call for the organization. As awesome as our W-L record & run differential is, we’ve been fortunate to beat up some bad teams. The rotation is the real deal, but the offense without Eloy, Robert, & Madrigal is simply not that good and bullpen is going to need some help. This is still one of the best teams in baseball when healthy, but we can’t afford to be overly cocky in our current form and need to find a way to add some reinforcements come July. Hopefully they kick things in motion by optioning Yermin to AAA after the game. Feels like we’ve got to be close to that happening.

How long will they have to wait to have Jimenez and Robert back though? It is going to be some time before that happens. I want to see guys like Moncada, Anderson and Abreu play better. If they need the others to be healthy to get better, it’s going to be a while before they play better.

Hahn needs to get off his ass and get some help. Can’t play AL central every game.

This current roster isn’t. What they need is Eloy, Robert, Kopech and a lefty slugger added to the roster.

So tired of Timmy’s laziness on the bases and in the field

What do you consider something of consequence? They don't have what it takes to get like a Ketel Marte. They don't need that though. I'm not even sure they could get Joey Gallo. They can absolutely get Starling Marte, Eduardo Escobar and either Ian Kennedy or Daniel Hudson though. Those would be impactful moves

Happy Father's Day!! TA's girls want a Win....and some Pasta.

Ya don't say???

Yermin shouldn't DH against a righty. Maybe you throw him in there against a soft tossing lefty, but he's totally unable to handle ML pitching right now. If you have to, send him down to AAA to figure it out, cause having him hit .150 in the majors isn't helping anyone. Lamb should DH vs. righties as much as possible, but stop putting him in the 2 spot. He's a total liability on defense and really shouldn't be put in OF, especially if you plan on playing Goodwin in CF. The combination of Goodwin, Vaughn, and Lamb might be the worst defensive OF in baseball. Play Engel as much as possible. We need him to anchor the defense in CF and he's hitting well enough against RHP that he shouldn't strictly be a platoon player. Especially when your other options in CF are Goodwin and Leury. Against RHP, I'd go Lamb at DH, Goodwin in LF, Engel in CF, and Leury in RF. You can even give Collins ABs at DH and have Lamb in LF if we don't have a fly ball heavy starter on the mound. Against LHP, Vaughn needs to be in the top 5 of the lineup. I don't care if it's 2, 3, or even 5, he belongs in there against lefties. He's one of our only guys who's had success against high velocity this year.

You should be rebuilt.

He's @ a bbq with his dad notChadBradford so he might just be out of the loop for a bit.

with TLR as the driver.

Couldn’t afford Nelson Cruz

Less is more Beckham…

ronn trying to get abreu going again/

They have become my most hated fanbase since the cheating scandal. Somehow they've managed to have a victim mentality after that whole debacle.

Yes big time. Last start was lowest since 2018

POTY!

Ouch, that is excellent. BTW, found Jungle Boogie at Binnys yesterday and am enjoying it now. Terrific local beer...thanks for the suggestion.

Lamb should be playing most days against RHP, but if the other corner OF spot comes down to Leury or Vaughn then I’ll easily roll the dice on Andrew. Leury has been a 73 wRC+ hitter against RHP since 2018. He is a known commodity and not of the good kind. Vaughn struggling against sliders isn’t all that surprising and he’s not going to get better without being exposed to them on a regular basis. Personally I don’t think that 38 wRC+ has any predictive merit and I’m willing to invest in him now with the hopes that he can become a league average or better hitter against RHP before years end. His ceiling is worth gambling on IMO since it’s highly unlikely we’ll be adding three bats at the deadline.

I think we’ll look back at this series and say it was the one that prompted Hahn to make a decision to be a buyer. This feels like a bubble popping.

Welcome to Soxtalk!

Good Lord, this series has been a fucking nightmare. The only successful hitter has been my head against the wall. Christ. Get a fucking grip. This is embarrassing

Glad I decided to wait before pouncing on that new Mercedes jersey.

The other red flag is that the Astros' almost never look really fooled on a pitch.

Andrew Vaughn's Splits Its a fucking 38 WRC+ vs RHP. 38. Hes ACTIVELY hurting this years team, full stop. Leury Garcia's splits by WRC+, Leury's 83 vs RHP is more than TWICE than Andrew Vaughn's. Ya know, the guy that everyone is supposed to hate, is twice the batter Vaughn is right now v. RHP. Jake Lamb's Splits 105 WRC+ vs. RHP. WTF isn't he in the lineup every day vs RHP? Hell, just for grins and giggles, here's Nicky Demonico's career splits: 90 WRC+ vs RHP. Hes available, now that Cincy's cut him loose. The point of posting all these splits is that it is ridiculously easy to find a (snicker) better than 38 WRC+, particularly at LF. There are already 2 or more better options in the roster, plus when Eaton returns, I'd guess that he'd be better than a 38 WRC+. Then, you add a rental at/before the TDL who can do better than a 38 WRC+, then maybe either Eloy gets back, or Vaughn picks his head up and gets better at hitting. But right now? Vaughns actively hurting this team. It is clear that this team's problem is offense, or else you wouldn't have started this thread. It is painfully clear that this team's biggest offensive woes are vs RHP. Unfortunately, the biggest boat anchor vs RHP is Andrew Vaughn. While we all believe in the young man's FUTURE, a "Win Now" season mandates that we worry about the future, IN the future to some degree. This org has asked him to do the impossible, in jumping up from A+ to the bigs, AND learn a new defensive position at the same time. There is no shame in admitting that now is not his day. At the same time, I would hope that this org would not be blinded by their opinion of Vaughns future when determining HIS/This team's PRESENT. Again, he's hurting THIS team, future teams, and his future by being here right now and being completely overmatched at the plate vs RHP.

That's the guy they have to try to get.

Great offence vs no more sticky. Or Houston just knows what’s coming.

I want to see the SOX at full strength before making this hot take. 1/3 of their players are out... Hard to win games against good teams missing 33% of your starters... you can even argue they are missing more than that.

And bring up sheets.

We have a need to buy some things/players, but I don't like what we have to pay with. Either next wave players that could really hurt or be an overpay or scraps that people may not want.

who is the clown? the guy who thinks the playoffs are a lock on June 19th or the one who understands that anything can happen?

Yes, and with the crack down on sticky substance coming, it will be equally hard to evaluate the value of any pitcher. Maybe we need to wait until then, to acquire an arm for the pen. However, if there are some guys who don't appear to have been using anything, they might represent good value. Looking at their spin rate history would be a potential way to determine that.