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In Leury’s defense, Leury’s defense.

He’s playing an excellent shortstop in TA’s absence, and can be plugged in anywhere. Yes, I think TLR has penciled him in a bit more than perhaps necessary this year, but man, a guy like Leury is super valuable.

No interest in Bulls announcers calling Sox game.

*Cough Cough* or should I say *caulf caulf*

What if I told you the long term health impacts of Covid are likely worse than the Flu. What if I told you that we wont know the impact on children until years from now. So yeah as a parent Id rather not unnecessarily risk my child having long term health issues. Wearing a mask and being safe isnt going to "put fear into them" because every day I teach them about acceptable risk v reward. We explain to children every day why its okay to run in a field, but not okay to run at the swimming pool.

I don’t think it has been unnecessary. Injuries have forced TLR’s hand.

This - so many people complain but the dude is such an asset off the bench. Just so versatile and he is solid - despite what most on here think. And I can’t blame him for getting too much play due to injuries and other factors.

When he’s not overused he is really valuable. Emphasis on not overused.

He's more like Yermin, flash in the pan, and thinks he is way better then he really is.

I think party lines play a huge role, quite frankly. We're tribal in nature...and both sides are guilty of it on a number of issues. Obviously with COVID, the far-right has been very anti-mask, anti-mandates, anti-vax. What I find interesting is all the different "solutions" that side seems to be trying to come up with. Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, etc....all things not proven to work (and in some cases be very dangerous for human health.) What it tells me is that they aren't taking COVID lightly. They know it's dangerous. It's why they are trying these things. But they are SO focused on sticking with their tribe and going along with the ideology that their leaders are telling them, the vaccine just isn't an option for them. They'd rather spread horse paste on their toast than take a now FDA-approved vaccine because of what their friend posted on Facebook. So yes, there are many factors that are driving the vaccination decision. And I think party lines plays a very large role.

I'm very happy to see private business starting to require vaccinations so I don't have to hear more complaining about "government mandates". The majority of people want to get back to normal. Let those of us who have chosen to take a logical and careful approach to this get back to normal, if others want to hop on they need to do the sensible thing and get vaccinated. There is zero reason not to, and as you stated those who are refusing are thinking of no one but themselves. It's beyond frustrating.

The right answer should always have been to end the virus - because it is so transmissible and so much more deadly than the flu that if you try to "live with it", it explodes - as it has in this country 4 or 5 times now in various spots, and in the process people start dying from all sorts of things because they can't get into hospitals, they overdose on the latest miracle cure, and so on. It would definitely take a couple of years, but if you set that goal - you get everyone vaccinated that you can, you institute vaccination requirements in as many places as are feasible, you require masks in places like schools where vaccination isn't possible yet, you make use of testing tracing and isolation - even with the transmissible variants we have right now, it remains possible to get cases decreasing to a level where you can push towards eliminating it from this country. You then have to work internationally on the same goal, but with the weapons we now have in the vaccines, it remains do-able. The reason it can't be done, of course, is specific people who are on the side of the virus.

Those refusing to get a vaccine are very selfish, and they don't care if others are potentially harmed. They'll say they care about others, but they don't mean it. I got vaccinated for me, my family, and my job. People refusing to get vaccinated are doing it for themselves, that's it. Mandatory vaccines are coming. Some employers are already requiring it. Some venues (United Center, for example) are requiring it. If people lose their jobs or are refused entry to an event, good. One less thing for the rest of us to worry about. As far as masks, no one likes wearing one. But they are the most effective prevention against infection. Vaccinated people can still catch COVID, although the risk is lower and the risk of severe effects is much lower. If an infected person, wearing a mask, is in a room full of vaccinated and/or unvaccinated masked people, risk of transmission is very low. Wearing masks, while a nuisance, is easy. And people are acting like...well, like the spoiled fucks they are. If everyone threw a mask on today, nothing would have to be shut down, and COVID infections would drop off sharply. COVID will probably never go away. But we can drive it down to an endemic virus like the flu or the common cold that we can protect ourselves from with yearly shots and have treatments that we can buy over the counter (not horse deworming pills). But we have to get more people vaccinated and more people to actually wear masks for a while.

The bottom line (for me) is that it’s not that hard to wear a mask or get an approved vaccine, yet many people have chosen not to do that and the rest of us have to suffer the consequences. I’ll feel a lot better when there’s a vaccine approved for kids, but in the meantime there’s some pretty simple steps people can take, but are refusing to. It’s selfish and harms others, even when that’s not the intent.

No, that is not the truth. Stop propagating falsehoods. https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

That's all while we're taking society-wide preventative measures against COVID (adults getting vaccinated, masks, remote learning, work from home, social distancing, less travel). Like others have said, delta is here. Months ago you said you essentially said that the vaccinated people can stop bothering unvaccinated people, who are living at their own risk. Well, I got COVID despite being vaccinated - because the unvaccinated people are letting delta spread like wildfire. We're going backwards because of delta due to unvaccinated people. You may not want to hear about it so much, but maybe if people didn't handwave this as the flu (which, note, less than half of adults take the vaccine for the flu) and took the damn vaccine, we'd be looking towards a future where we don't have to be worrying about kids getting the delta variant.

I don't want to speak for everyone, but I think the frustration comes from.....we didn't have to just "live with this." But because a bunch of people are so obsessed with party lines....we're probably going to have to live with it, you're right.

Nothing ... good luck proving in court that ONE individual was responsible. It's a silly "what if" argument. What if someone who has the vaccine contracts it and passes it to a person who is unprotectible? It's a rabbit hole and has no basis in reality. These are the type of back and forth conversations that add nothing to move anything forward. It's trying to catch people in a gotcha moment. or a "you dont care about people, you're a bad person" argument. its baseless, pointless drivel. it's trying to pit "us vs them". bad narrative.

There are a class of people who are unprotectible, and you brought up the topic of personal responsibility. So instead of dancing around it, if someone who has done everything they can, gets infected by someone who is intentionally NOT taking protective steps, what should their punishment be? Keep in mind, we have laws on the books in similar situations for STDs will actually charge them with a felony.

Well, at the very least we know you can never use "I was young and stupid" as an excuse for something you did when you were 23. Leury was a -1.9 fWAR player in his age 22-24 seasons. For age 26-30, he's been worth 4.2 fWAR - just under 1 fWAR a season counting 2020. I would submit that what he did in 2013-2015 isn't all that relevant to right now.

What if I told you that this new variant, Delta, is far more susceptible to children and the numbers of the past year, to at least some extent benefited from children masking up in school and the fact that for most of that past year, there were material lockdowns and many kids not actually at in-person school. I don't know what the #'s would be if protocol wasn't followed...but i know my kids, who are too young to be vaxxed, have no problem wearing a mask and it isn't some major inconvenience. I have 2 good friends that are ER doctors - last year, they weren't very worried at all with their kids (under vax age) and COVID - the past 6 weeks - they have been hyper alert and concerned due to what they are seeing in young patients coming into and more broad data around how Delta impacts kids.

Since Hamilton is back I thought I'd post his vlog from the Field of Dreams which I hadn't seen before.

I don't see Rodon coming back to the Sox. Next season you have the following four pitchers as near locks to be in the rotation: Giolito Cease Lynn Kopech Also, Keuchel is still under contract next season and it would be difficult to move him in a trade, given his performance and salary for 2022. The Sox are unlikely to let Keuchel reach 160 innings in 2022, as that would vest his option for 2023. To avoid that, we'll probably see Reynaldo Lopez get a fair amount of starts, which he has earned to this point. Carlos has been excellent this season. Let's ride him to a World Series win and offer him the QO. He'll get a well-deserved payday from another team and the Sox will get a comp pick.

It was annoying earlier in the season to see him playing every game, and for a while it was like he was up *every time* the Sox had RISP in a high-leverage situation, but that wasn't really his fault. He's a utility guy, in that role, he's great

I guess the Padres may prove not to be the genius FO organization some here believe them to be.

Bah, you gotta have at least 2 backup infielders available, even more helpful if one has minor league options, and we aren’t sure who will be starting at 2b yet.

Nine seasons of Leury is pretty good value for Alex Rios.

I like Leury. I fully expect the Sox to bring him back on a 2 year $5-7M deal and I am in full support. When he’s not overused, he’s the perfect bench guy.

I have no problem with him. My only problem is with how he's over-used. Not really his fault.

.650 winning pct. when he's in the starting lineup.

They were a great team in the 1970s. Two World Series wins over two great Oriole teams. Too bad this team has fallen on bad times. Has had a great history.

Tonight Leuryhaving a great game shortened the thread.

We have finally hit 22 games above .500. Our highest mark since September 2008. We had 3 chances to hit it in July and August and had lost every time before tonight.

He plays 6 positions. At one point this summer, he was 2nd on the team in RBIs. Leury Garcia stans have a lot to be proud of. He’s grinded here for 9 years and this team is lucky to have him.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING BUBIC?!?! LUIS ROBERT CAN GO UPSTAIRS!!!

Salaries do not scale down on the war scale as fangraphs universally evaluates in real life. 2 WAR players are not paid 15-18 million a year. The leury love is absolutely baffling

I think one of the big metrics is hospitalizations and ICU use. In my mind that's another big difference between this and the flu, it's much more transmissible and people are much more likely to land in intensive care. We need to get this to a point where those in need will be guaranteed a hospital bed and our healthcare facilities/workers aren't overstressed - just like we do in the worst flu seasons. They are comparable, but it's not apples to apples.

That's really not a lot considering Leury, Goodwin, Hamilton, Rodon, and Tepera are all free agents at the end of the year. (And one can imagine them not picking up Hernandez's option.) I don't expect the Sox to lose anyone that they really value. I'd be surprised if they protect Sosa or Mieses because they'd be unlikely to be able to stay up all year without destroying their development, but we shall see. If they value Bilous and McClure, I'm sure they'll have room to protect them. Thank God they decimated their 2018 draft class via trades, huh?

Leury is extremely valuable as a super sub, thats it. He gets exposed when he starts for a long period of time.

The guys in the top 30 are Jason Bilous, Kade McClure, Lenyn Sosa and Luis Mieses. It's college players from the 2018 draft and international players from 2017.

For non-Chicago resident fans of the White Sox, this doesn't have a lot of appeal. So expectations are low!

He's walking at a higher clip this year leading to the best OBP of his career. And that glove was slick last night.

Whoa there tiger.

Sheets cannot be moved. Sheets is another special talent IMO. Gonna have to make room for him in the future.

Brian Goodwin last 28 days: .589 OPS. Couple that with his poor defense and baserunning and they can DFA him to activate Engel.

Cut it out. I'll make that as clear as can be. Comments have been made that were not needed in a response back and than put an avatar up that is directed at said individual. NOT Allowed. And your posts were edited and back available - personal insult removed. If you want to post here - stick to the facts at hand. We ask others to do the same - when it doesn't happen - stuff gets hid until it is cleaned up....personal bickering is not needed. Mods also have had posts hidden and edited in recent months too - so this isn't a double standard - but i'm never going to claim perfection. Everyone here is a volunteer and this is a place people come to enjoy talking about the Sox or comiserating with other fans when things aren't going well. Leave the petty stuff at the door and enjoy the club and if you don't get along with someone - just stay away from them and vice versa.

Jfc

I'd start Romy everyday at SS until TA gets back. No sense in Mendick and Leury getting more looks, we already know who they are. Also, would like to see Gavin given a chance to play every night in RF or DH.

I am hoping Romy will get the majority of the starts over Mendick/Garcia