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    Kimbrel option expected to be exercised

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    12 minutes ago, poppysox said:

    Cub fans still love Kimbrel.  We could probably get Madrigal ++if we would pony up 8 million toward Kimbrel's salary.  Just for the record....I'm not joking.

    NEVER gonna happen. They finally offloaded all that money on their books, of which they have been crying poor about since Theo left. Also, they know they probably got fleeced in the Eloy+Cease/Q trade and have to have this one to save face.

    8/1 Game Thread Sox vs Guardians 1:10

    in 2021 Season in Review

    Posted

    3 hours ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

    I don’t see the point in complaining about Goodwin. Whining about a backup for not playing like a starter is like whining about a fifth starter for not being an ace.  He’s a bench player who’s been super valuable in his role and saving our asses through devastating injuries. Thank god for Goodwin, and Billy for that matter.

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    Trade Deadline Thread

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    47 minutes ago, chw42 said:

    He had some info on the whole Yermin episode, so he has a source somewhere. But he also said this isn't a scoop, just a hunch. 

    I'm extremely hesitant to think they have real interest in Baez given he's got a foot injury right now. With the Sox apparently very focused on medicals, you'd think that would put him out of consideration. 

    That dude can kick rocks. He has connections through 670 The Score and made a video claiming Machado would be signing with us. He is dead to me.

    Trea Turner

    in The Diamond Club

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    57 minutes ago, hogan873 said:

    Our old friend NSC posed a "hypothetical" question asking Sox fans if they would be okay with Burger, Crochet, ++ for Trea Turner.  The overwhelming majority of responders said yes.  I would agree.

    Yes, please.

    Multi HR games vs sox

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    10 minutes ago, flavum said:

    4/4, Walsh; 4/23 Garcia, Ad; 5/18 Sano (3); 5/26 Edman; 5/29 Galvis; 5/31 Hernandez; 6/4 Schoop; 6/5 Haase; 6/25 Torrens; 6/26 Trammell; 7/5 Kepler; 7/19 Garver; 7/26 Soler

    That’s 13.

    Sox have 4:

    4/20 Abreu; 6/4 Grandal; 6/30 Grandal; 7/11 Vaughn

    Didn't Haase do it twice to us this year?

    July 3rd.

    Who would you dream of the White Sox adding in trade this week, and what would you be willing to give up in exchange?

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    1 hour ago, VAfan said:

    I haven't posted much of anything on the trade speculation front, but I thought I would open post devoted to a "wish list".  The overall trade thread touches on this topic, but isn't devoted to it, and I didn't see another post that was.  If the moderators think this is redundant, they can move it. 

    Here's my wish list.

    1. Craig Kimbrel.  I think the Brewers series has exposed the biggest Sox weakness against talented teams that can hold down the Sox offense -- bullpen depth.  Everyone talks about adding a relief pitcher, but I don't think most set their sights high enough.  I think the Sox need to look for a shut down bullpen arm to bridge the gap between our starters and Hendriks. You could make the argument that Kimbrel is even better than Hendriks this season, but I expect he'd play second fiddle because Hendriks is signed for longer and has been the man.  

    Kimbrel is one of the few players being discussed who could make a real difference.  Hendriks is reliable, but has blown 4 saves and been victimized on occasion by the HR.  Crochet could be nasty, but sometimes can't find the strike zone.  Kopech seems dominant, but struggled tonight with control.  Bummer is not consistent or reliable at all because you don't know from outing to outing if he can control his vicious slider.  Heuer has been hit hard too many times to be reliable.  Ditto for the rest. 

    The Nationals proved you don't need a deep pen to win a World Series, but you do need one that does the job.  A bullpen of Hendriks, Kimbrel, Kopech, and Crochet, with potential support from Dylan Cease might be enough.  But we'd need to see how those guys are pitching at the end of September to know. 

    Kimbrel could give the Sox the kind of edge Kansas City rode to its two World Series appearances and one win.  The Sox are not going to get more than 6 innings out of their top 3 starters in the postseason.  Right now they might be able to cover a couple innings.  They need to be able to cover 3 innings consistently.  

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    What would I be willing to give up?  First off, I don't think Kimbrel will get the haul some people think.  That's because even though he's signed for another year, it's for $16M.  He may not be overpriced, but he's not a bargain.  If the Sox are willing to take on the salary (a big IF), it should cost them less.

    Here's what I'd be willing to give up.  1. Jake Burger.  2.  Jonathan Stiever or Jimmy Lambert.   3.  A player to be named.  I think Burger will be a stud hitter, but he's blocked at all his potential positions with the Sox and is 25.  Stiever and Lambert are starting pitchers.  I don't think they'll ever really make it in the Sox rotation, which is why I'd give them up.  As for the player to be named, it could be anyone.  Likely a lower level player who is a bit of a crap shoot.  

    Some may say this isn't enough.  Some may say it's too much.  I don't really want the Sox to trade Burger, and have written more than one post about him.  But to get Kimbrel, the Sox would need to give up someone who is major league ready and under long term control.  

    2. Marcus Semien.  For all those pining for Escobar or Frazier, Semien would be a much bigger prize.  

    Why would Toronto be willing to give him up?  For the same reason the Yankees were willing to trade Aroldis Chapman to the Cubs.  He'll be a free agent and they can re-sign him next year, which would be the same thing as extending him.  The Jays are 9-1/2 games out, and they aren't winning the AL East, and several teams are ahead of them for the Wild Card spots.  Why not cash in Semien now and bring him back for a better run at it next year? 

    Semien could be a real offensive difference maker on the Sox.  He would be leading the team in HRs and OPS by a wide margin.  He's actually hitting RHP better than LHP.  

    You could put him at the top of the lineup behind Tim Anderson, move Moncada into the 3 hole where had the most ABs and hit the best this year.  That would make Abreu 4th, Jimenez 5th, Grandal 6th, Vaughn and Robert 7th and 8th (depending on how Robert hits when he returns), and Engel/Goodwin 9th.  

    Because the Sox are unlikely to retain Semien after this year, this would be the true go for it move.  

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    What would I be willing to give up?  I think the Blue Jays need pitching.  I also think with Semien's $18M contract, it wouldn't require a fortune in players if the Sox were willing to assume the rest of the contract.  

    I'd be looking at trading lower bullpen arms, but guys who have had time in the major leagues -- Matt Foster, Marshall, Fry, Ruiz, Burr.  What about Heuer?  Off of last season, I wouldn't have wanted to trade him. But he's become so unreliable this year.  Yet he's young enough and has enough potential upside to be a closer that he could be the key player in a deal. Toronto is built to contend now, so they will want guys who are major league ready.  Heuer is controllable, so he should have plenty of value.  

    I'd offer 1. Heuer, 2. Stiever or Lambert -- whichever one didn't go to the Cubs for Kimbrel, 3. A throw in.  

    ************

    So that's my wish list -- Kimbrel and Semien.  I'd be shocked if either of these things happened, but I think the Sox need to go for it this year, and Kimbrel would be a key addition for next year as well.  

    In the offseason, the Sox could try to to re-sign Rodon and then trade Keuchel, mostly to unload his contract, but also to help restock.  

    Who is on your wish list for the Sox?

    I want NOTHING to do with Kimbrel. Sure, this year has been a nice bounce back, but dude is coming off a stretch where he looked like he couldn't even pitch in AA. It would be our luck that we acquired that guy, and not the once dominant closer. 

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