wrathofhahn

Could be. Either way it's Middleton I wasnt expecting a whole lot for him anyways.

I very much doubt he averages 2WAR over the next five years. Both Streamer and Zips in season calculations has his value between 0.2 WAR and 0.4 WAR this year The reality is what he is doing currently isnt sustainable. Fan favorite aside this was a trade that had to be made wish him the best but he's gone and we made the correct call/bet by trading him. if he somehow corrects his approach at the plate and manages to sustain his success all the more power to him but his iso numbers right now are higher than the career ISO of Schwaber, Ohtani, and Alonso he is going to come down to earth at some point and unless his plate discipline and ability to put balls in play improve it isn't going to be pretty

Yeah for me that is a red flag because there is a major difference between throwing SL and CH for swinging strikes in the ML vs MLB working off an average FB By the sounds of things he maybe someone who needs to move to the bullpen to see if he can gain a cpl of miles on his fastball

I really think Burger will be a .725 ish OPS at best player moving forward unless he drastically improves his plate discipline. You couple that with his bad defense at 3rd and I don't get the reluctance doing the deal. It reminds me when Avisaíl García hit .330 in 2017 every Sox fan knew his BABIP wasn't sustainable but noone wanted to move him. Well the next year his value completely cratered. I think funny enough he was 26 or 27 then too. Here is the thing can Burger develop a better approach at age 28+ sure but it's pretty rare. I'll take my chances on the frontline pitching prospect instead. Because if you hit on him you have a frontline starter for the next 6-7 years. If you correct Burger approach at the plate you at best have a good hitting 1B/DH valuable but not in the same category. We also have Vaughn and Eloy two guys who approaches at the plate and bat profiles project out to have much longer sustained careers in MLB. As far as I'm concerned we really didn't lose anything in the deal because Burger was not a longterm answer at 3rd and there isn't a spot at 1B and/or DH for him,

Grandal and Anderson have no value. He should have moved them earlier but it is what it is. Beni I would have moved but he has term to him not sure teams were ready to commit to a LF with term when rental guys were available like Teoscar

Much of this was him getting out of mistakes of his own making but for me it's an easy A. I also have zero confidence in his ability to use the savings in salary properly in FA but just evaluating it separately from Hahn performance as a whole all the trades were pretty much homeruns.

Look I never wanted Vaughn I thought it was a mistake to draft him. However, I don't really get the room for growth argument for Burger. He's 27. I think Vaughn baseline hitting skills and approach at the plate give him a much better chance at longterm success at the MLB level. Unless the argument his contact and walk numbers are so bad that he doesn't have to improve much to be better. However, I very much doubt he continues his .313 iso slugging numbers either. I mean you look at Pete Alonso and he's averaged 45 homeruns per 162 games over his career. He has a career .276 iso percentage and he couples that with a much more selective professional approach at the plate. The way Burger is currently playing right now longterm just isn't sustainable.

If the stuff is still there this is a tremendous move. These are exactly the type of moves Hahn should be making every year instead of investing tens of million into the bullpen

He is a much better hitter. I get it Burger is a fan favorite but this trade is a homerun

I just each trade on its merits not whom the organization has or has not developed. I don't live month to month with players. He is going to have to demonstrate improved plate discipline a lot longer than four games (five of those eleven walks in july happened in his last four games) before I am convinced he is a totally different player than I've seen for the rest of the first three years of his career.

Correct in my old age I always get the two florida teams confused not sure why

He has a .214 BA, .279 OBP and is 27. Yes he has tower power but so did Gavin and a million other players entering the MLB. It is going to be very hard to almost impossible for him to maintain his numbers if he can't get on base or hit for an average. Maybe the Rays manage to unlock that in him best of luck but I'll take the frontline pitching prospect and run

I wanted to move Tim but look at Dejong return the value isn't there. Teams want guys who have been playing well for their title run. Rays severely overpaid for control on a guy who is unlikely to replicate his current season moving forward. If they can fix his approach great all the more power to them but I'll take my chances on a frontline pitching prospect over a 27 year old 1B/DH whose approach at the plate needs work.

His slugging numbers are going to be very hard to maintain over the course of his career unless his approach at the plate changes and he manages to get on base more. I am more than fine with the move. He could easily be Galvin Sheets in a couple of years unless he figures out to have more plate discpline. For that we got a front-line pitching prospect.

Yeah didn't see fangraphs list. MLB.com doesn't update as often people need to realize he is going to rise when they redo their lists. He is easily a top 100 prospect at this point

Anytime you get a chance to trade a non-elite 1B/DH for a frontline pitching prospect you do the deal. I like Burger but if Elder develops into what he is capable of we easily win the trade. Elder may not be on a top 100 prospect list now but he will be when they redo the list. It is an easy trade to make.

From Herald 1D ago: Jake Eder continues to return to form With each passing start this season, left-handed pitcher Jake Eder (Miami’s No. 4 ranked prospect) is looking more like the pitcher who dominated before undergoing Tommy John surgery in August 2021. Eder’s latest outing came on Saturday, when he struck out 10 batters and allowed just two runs (one earned run) on one hit (a home run), two walks and one hit batter over 5 2/3 innings for Double A Pensacola. It was the deepest into a game Eder has pitched since returning to action in June and the 10 strikeouts are the second most in his minor-league career, behind only the 12 he had in his first-ever minor-league start on May 6, 2021. Eder utilizes a three-pitch mix: a fastball that sits between 93-96 mph and touches 98, a low-80s slider and a low-80s changeup. Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mlb/miami-marlins/article277805008.html#storylink=cpy

He will move up the lists after the season. He has front-line stuff has protypical size and pitches left handed. He has dominated once they promoted him to AA. Per MLB: Scouting grades: Fastball: 60 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 50 | Overall: 50 Though Eder flashed first-round stuff at Vanderbilt and notched a three-inning save in the 2019 College World Series clincher, a lack of consistency prevented him from cracking the Commodores' weekend rotation until his junior year. His stuff and control regressed during the shortened 2020 season, enabling the Marlins to grab him in the fourth round for an over-slot $700,000. Sent to Double-A for his 2021 pro debut, he dominated until blowing out his elbow that August and requiring Tommy John surgery that cost him all of last season. Eder displayed a plus fastball and slider throughout the 2021 season before he got hurt, and a pro scout with another organization called him the best pitching prospect in baseball. His four-seamer sat at 93-96 mph and touched 98 with ride up in the zone, and he commanded it better than he ever had. He also tightened up his low-80s slider, generating more horizontal action and locating it with more precision than before. Eder also made strides with a low-80s changeup that offers some fade and tumble. Most importantly, he threw all three pitches for strikes after a history of inconsistent control and command. If his stuff returns after his elbow reconstruction and that polish is for real, he should become at least a No. 3 starter and perhaps more.

Elder is a pretty highly regarded prospect to get for a DH at this point. Very good return

Andrus and Sheets should be just DFA'ed. They aren't going to get us anything. Another guy who could get us something is Santos. I know it would be hard to part with him because he has control but that is exactly what makes him attractive to other teams especially small to midmarket teams in need of help which don't have much wiggle room in term of financials.

I don't want to trade the guys with control. The guys I most want to move are Anderson, Clevinger, Benintendi (if there is interest), and Bummer if the prospects are there because relievers are the most replaceable. I'd also move Grandal, Unfortunately I don't see us getting much back for these guys maybe we could package Clevinger and Bummer and get a top 100. Just clear salary and start over.

Look at the FA signings. So much wasted money. We have actually done a good job on trades and drafting for the most part but FA has been a complete disaster The sad part is the guys we brought in like Garcia were obvious mistakes at the time.

Mike Clevinger needs to be moved

These signings were massive mistakes we were lucky to just clear their salary to be honest with how inept Hahn has been filling out the rest of the roster is why we are not getting any returns. Normally I'd be happy with clearing these guys but the reality is Hahn has failed time and time again to be able to use FA to fill out the roster. None of his FA signing have much value to Benintendi to Grandal to Graveman.