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  1. 23 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said:

    The Sox would be going so far away from their base I don't see how Arlington makes any sense for them. Would obviously have to shed any "Southside" persona/vibe/branding as well.

    I dont disagree with you. A move to Arlington would clearly be remaking the fanbase to a degree. It probably would grow immensely.

  2. 9 hours ago, fathom said:

     

    I've long thought the Chicago suburbs are one of the most untapped fertile sports grounds in this country. All of our 'local' professional teams are deep in the city, which makes going to a game a large ordeal for most suburban fans. Particularly during the week. This all screams Arlington Park to me. The land is big enough for 2 stadiums, plus all the hotels, restaurants, bars, parking, etc. They can get the state to pitch in for infrastructure of one location. There's already a metra station there...

  3. 2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    image.pngI’m missing the last couple seasons, but you can see a very clear correlation between PY attendance and CY payroll.  Jerry will support larger payrolls if he has revenue to bank on, but obviously won’t spend big to greatly enhance a currently bad product and definitely won’t risk massive dollars on star free agents.  And to make sure I’m being clear here, Jerry sucks a fat one as owner and I’m not trying to make excuses for him.  I just think there is reasons to believe elevated revenue would lead to increased spending.

    Increased spending on what? Catchers and relief pitchers? Because we know he won't ever spend for top players on the market. See the Manny machado/Bryce Harper debacle. And he is afraid to commit to starting pitchers as well.

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  4. As a lifelong Sox fan who is now in my early 50's, I never in my life thought I would take this position. But if this jerk who has refused to spend the money to run a decent franchise thinks we're going to hand him another billion dollars...he can go f himself and take his damn team to Nashville or wherever he wants to go. I'm so done with Reinsdorf.

    This feels like we're all being setup for one final fu from Reinsdorf before he passes away.

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  5. 11 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    It’s actually one of the most sensical things Levine has said in awhile.  If Cease suffers a bad injury, his value could drop to zero.  It would definitely be playing with fire to hold Cease until the deadline.  Yes, he could stay healthy, pitch well, and raise his value.  But he could also pitch worse and/or get injured.

    I think the problem is - a lot of people posting in this thread live in a fairytale land where Cease's value is remotely near what it was a year ago.

    The White Sox need to either accept poor value back for him or gamble that he repairs his value a bit during the season while still here.

  6. 35 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    I really want to know what these clubs have been offering.  The Orioles can’t be taken serious if their top five prospects are off limits.  The Yankees also can’t be taken serious if Spencer Jones & Chase Hampton are off limits.  

    We at least have confirmation now that the Dodgers offered up Busch in their package.  And while Busch is a fairly divisive prospect, the reality is he still had legitimate based on the Cubs return.

    It does feel like the Sox & Orioles are in a game of chicken.  I hate going full circle here, but it does seem like the compromise is a Kjerstad/Ortiz/Povich package.  Orioles give up one of their true high-end outfield prospects, while the Sox settle on the lower ceiling, but major league ready Ortiz.  Povich is the final piece, with the Sox that getting an arm that isn’t too far off but still has a lot of question marks.  My guess is this is a package that 50% of Sox fans hate and 50% of Orioles fans hate, which tells me it’s a fair compromise.

    I haven't posted a lot in this thread. But I said in the beginning of the off-season that if you trade Cease now, you're selling low on him. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that the alleged offers are mediocre.

    If I'm the Sox, I roll the dice and let him start the season with us. Yes you're risking another off year further lowering his value - as you are also risking catastrophic failure if he gets injured. But if he has a dominant month or two to start the season, his trade value returns to 2022 levels. You dont have to wait until the trade deadline to move him if he starts out hot.

    That's what I would bet on. Given the sorry state of the White Sox franchise as we stand right now, what really do we have to lose by waiting and taking that risk?

  7. I don't see trading Cease as a good idea right now. Are we trying to lose 110 games - so we can tank for an at best 10th pick in the draft due to the large market rules? And it's selling low on Dylan. Let him start the season with the Sox, and it's probably only going to increase his trade value. Possibly in a massive way. Like it or not, his trade value is probably a small fraction of what it would have been a year ago.

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  8. 11 hours ago, Vacheron said:

    The Sox biggest fan concentration is in the city. Arlington is cubs country. Stop with the bs

    Arlington Heights isn't any team's country. There is no team out here. People just pick what team they pick, and yes, like most of Chicagoland, and the country for that matter, there's more Cubs fans than Sox fans. The idea is fans would embrace actually having a local team and would support them well. If you disagree, then ok.

  9. 6 minutes ago, greg775 said:

    If they move to Arlington (why not Naperville instead?) they'll definitely have a suburban flavor to them. I'd think the diehard loyal south siders won't go out to Arlington much if ever to see the Sox. I would think the Cubs would love the Sox moving out there. They'd have everybody in Chicago proper coming to Wrigley IMO. I would guess true South Siders would be very upset and would not go out to Arlington. But again, suburbia is enough to average 30,000 a game me thinks.

    Financially - I think it would make sense for the Sox to concede Chicago to the Cubs and move to the burbs. They may find there's more dollars to earn in the burbs than there ever was in the south side.

    I agree Naperville makes more sense to the Sox given their fan's geographical locations approximately. But they would likely be on their own there. Arlington would in conjunction with the Bears. If they built two stadiums at Arlington, it would come with hotels, restaurants, bars, entertainment, mega sponsors...and the teams could get those perspective businesses and sponsors to foot a lot of the bills there.

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  10. 2 hours ago, tray said:

    ISFA (located at GRF) will almost certainly make a deal with the Sox for a new lease at 35th and Shields before the current lease expires,  especially if the Sox want to rehab or rebuild there. Meanwhile there is nothing structurally wrong with GRF ...a facility than can last for decades if properly maintained. Infrastructure (streets , sewers gas/ electric),  parking facilities, access to public transportation, expressway access...it  is already there. The ONLY option that might attract the Sox and the City of Chicago is Soldier Field...a very remote possibility and that only....IF the Bears move out and a deal can be worked out, including TIF financing and a share of gaming, hotel taxes, and other revenues. Frankly, I don't see the Sox moving anywhere for decades and any thoughts about that will be put to bed when they get a new lease in place.

    If Jerry has selling the team on his mind (even if it's for his family's interests after he passes), locking in to an extension at a mediocre ballpark in a mediocre location probably wont help the team's value for the sale.

  11. I think the UC area is the best. It's convenient for city folks and is probably the most convenient Chicago location for suburban fans as well. Forget Soldier Field, - too hard to commute to there. Arlington Heights would be great for me - living in the NW burbs, but I get that it wouldn't great for most Sox fans.

  12. 6 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

    1. Still has no concept of getting on base more as a priority for the worst team at it.

    2. Where does he plan to get these more athletic players before next year? They have a handful of trade resources but not a lot, they have some money to spent, but they are already talking about their bullpen needs when they have about 0.75 starting pitchers out of 6. Presumably this would involve trading all their tolerable prospects considering they’d need like 15 players.

    Obviously here's no way to fix this team for next year, regardless of the path. But yeah, they need to move away from the Hahn/KW model of building half the team from 1B/DH types. It seems obvious, but I think it's one positive thought process.

  13. 5 hours ago, GGajewski18 said:

    The Sox have no chance at competing next year.  It's going to be another miserable year on contrary to what JR thinks.  

    I would expect to see Cease, Eloy, and TA traded this off season

    While I agree that competing next year is very unlikely. They seems to think they will compete. And as Cease is the only SP they have on the roster right now that doesn't really suck (Kopech), I don't see Cease being moved.

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