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    The Myth of RIck Hahn the Closer/PPTer Extraordinaire

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    22 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

    In the end, it's a business of closing.

    He has one box checked where he did something that almost nobody in baseball or loyal White Sox fans expected, beating out the Cardinals for Luis Robert.

     

    Recently, we have a series of deals where we arguably overpaid by 10-15%, including Grandal, Abreu and the Jimenez extension.  There's certainly no "value extraction" going on in any of those moves.

    Of the other big-name acquisitions under his stewardship, Robertson, Cabrera and LaRoche were all overpaid to various degrees as well.  And we know all about last year's FA class.

     

    We can dwell on Wheeler, Machado (which actually worked out for the best, at least right now), Tanaka, etc., but he's going to be judged ultimately on won-loss record from this season forwards, not on getting turned down by Wheeler's fiance/family, essentially.

     

    Right now, we're left in a situation where we're forced back into Tier B/C pitching prospects with obvious warts...nothing unusual for the White Sox (or the Twins/Indians, for that matter.)

    From here on out, he's going to have to be extremely creative, and that's not his area of expertise.

    Looking at it logically, one would assume that means using the knowledge of Grandal...the Cuban/Latin American baseball family and Renteria as the manager, to try to leverage those relationships to bring in some more useful/undervalued players.  Of course, that's a double-edged sword...I'd love to believe that the ethnic background or composition of the clubhouse or even the manager in this day and age would never be a factor in the player/agent decision-making process, but I'm not sure that's being 100% realistic, either.

    ULTIMATELY, as far as Hahn specifically goes, a great closer would be expected to get at least one of Moncada, Giolito or Luis Robert to sign an extension.  I'll believe it when I see it, particularly with Moncada and Robert.

    If he can't do that, and he consistently fails to close the deal....regardless of whether it was the "right" or wrong player looking back retrospectively...and there's nothing else he demonstrably excels at (if there IS one, would love to hear it), then they need to find a new leader that can do a better job of selling the Chicago White Sox as an organization.   Who doesn't sell it like a stock or bond or market arbitrage, but lives/dies/bleeds with every up and down of the organization.  He doesn't have to be Hawk Harrelson, but something is missing, not sure if it's passion/charisma, but he just doesn't have the X Factor that great executives tend to possess, the ability to inspire his leadership team and inspire/motivate those around him to unparalleled heights.   

    (Of course, we all know this is not how JR operates and there's never going to be a course correction.  Not until/unless JR sells the team. Hahn will resign/fall on his own sword if the rebuild tanks and take a "promotion" to a position below KW or get a job in Silicon Valley or on Wall Street.)

    Great analysis, spot on, very impressive.

    Thank you 

    Zack Wheeler: To the Phils (5yr 118); Sox had made BIGGER offer

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Orlando said:

    Buster listing the Sox as “also involved” now is concerning to me. It seemed like he was implying it was a done deal earlier. Now they are just listed as “also involved”, shows me that they have probably fallen behind.

    A. Are you really surprised

    B. The White Sox are still way less desirable than many of these teams

    C. Maybe it will be a blessing, they need numerous upgrades that they can use all that money on 

    Mous to the Reds, 4yr Deal

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    1 hour ago, BackDoorBreach said:

    I don't know what they are going to do, but they were a WC team last year and are losing a dozen + players if not more and cry about payroll and have no farm.

    I believe they are around 60 million now after this batch of non-tenders and played at 130 ML last year.  They are going to have to hit on a bunch of guys that were non-tendered or buy low on several players.  They need C, 1B, all of the pitching, 3B, and several depth pieces.  And that division sucks, idk what else you want me to say about it.  It's not good.

     

    They have a sharp gm, a sharp manager, and an owner that has spent money, they have what I wish the White Sox had, and there is no way that division sucks, cubs, cardinals, Milwaukee and a up coming reds.

    Mous to the Reds, 4yr Deal

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    1 hour ago, BackDoorBreach said:

    Brewers are shot.  Hopefully the Reds step up to apply tourniquet like pressure on the Cubs.  That division sucks.

    How do you know what the brewers are going to do the rest of the off season, and why does the division suck?

    One thing I can not get over..

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Chisox378 said:

    Strikeouts are selfish. They don't move runners over or make the defense work. The don't get a batter on base. They kill rallies.  Players that choose to try to hit a HRs instead of giving up themselves and their at bat for the best of the team, are selfish hitters.  This is the last thing I'll say: players that lead the league in strikeouts, no matter their HRs and OBP, are not the best hitters in baseball.

    This is his very 1st year in the majors, let's see if he makes adjustments

    And I think we have some outstanding young talent but Tat is is a superstar offensively and defensively.

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    A Realistic Offseason

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    3 minutes ago, ron883 said:

    Look what DA said. Moncada told Ricky that he can play CF.

    It isn't rocket science up there. You chase the ball and throw it back. Moncada has elite speed and a good arm. He would be great out there. 

    If I would move either it would be anderson, he just glides to fly balls and moncada has leg injuries keep him away from the outfield.

    Josh Osich claimed by boston

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 hour ago, pcq said:

    Ideal for Fenway. L Chaim's first move as  Red Sox strategist. WSox with two big moves to start the offseason. 

    You seem like a very worldly individual  with all your comments, why do you call him L Chaim, I thought his name is Chain Bloom?

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