SoxBlanco

I was confused, too. I googled the quote, and it’s about Moncada. Here’s the article: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/white-sox-pedro-grifol-says-yoan-moncada-here-do-something-special

When the Sox got knocked out by Houston two years ago, I still enjoyed the s%*# out of that series. The Sunday night game was awesome, and I wasn’t even there. Had some friends over to watch in my basement, and it was so fun. Then I went to the game on Tuesday when we got slaughtered and eliminated, and even that was a great memory. Waking up all jacked, taking the train down there with a buddy, going crazy when Rodon got out of the bases loaded jam and then when Sheets went deep for a 1-0 lead. Sure, the outcome sucked, but I would love another experience like that.

Agreed. I feel like we have asked @Y2Jimmy0 about this in the past, but I can’t remember what he said. As always, great work James.

I hope you are right. I’m optimistic as well.

Wrong thread…

Can you expand on that? What role would Burger have?

At this point, the cash is spent regardless of whether you cut him. The only thing that matters is whether they think they can create a better 26 man roster without him.

I got the same feeling, which would be very interesting. Maybe Colas makes the team, Romy takes over the Leury role, and Sheets gives you a left handed stick off the bench who could also DH or play some 1B. That would still allow you to keep someone like Marisnick as a glove-first outfield reserve. I originally didn’t think there was any scenario where Leury wasn’t on the opening day roster, but now I’m not so sure.

I’ve never heard of a solid defensive SS not being good at 2B. Most solid shortstops can play pretty much anywhere. And if Andrus struggles at the plate, Romy will get a shot, which is right where we would have been without this signing. Also, we have a backup plan for SS now in case TA gets hurt. I really don’t see any reason to not like this move, unless you think he will struggle and continue to be in the lineup all year.

Sounds like Rodon from a couple years ago. Nobody wanted him, so we signed him for $3M. That seemed to work out.

Look at the bright side. At least I’m not Rick Hahn, Yasmani Grandal, or Nick Madrigal.

That’s fair. You don’t consider the baseball IQ side of things when evaluating a player. I’m not saying you’re wrong. I was just curious.

Absolutely.

Of course you didn’t say whether or not he had that. That’s why I asked.

If I had to have a beer with one person from this message board, you would easily be my last choice. You’re such a loser.

Are you taking into account his baseball smarts/high IQ, or do you not think he has that?

LOVE this move for only 3 million, as I’ve been saying all off-season. And we also now have a backup plan at SS in case TA gets hurt. This is a fantastic move.

I think you are reading what he said wrong. He said the PROJECTION is less than what Clevinger got, which is exactly right. $10M is less than $12M.

Yes, the 1/$10M projection was less than what he actually got. That’s what Timmy U was saying.

I brought them up simply as a response to the post that was implying we shouldn’t have signed Clevinger even if we didn’t know about the domestic abuse. He was saying that Clevinger seemed like a bad guy even before this incident, and we should have avoided him because of that. I’m saying that if you always operated this way and avoided players who seemed like they might have character issues, then you miss out on players like AJ. As for your second question, I’m guessing you missed my point, otherwise you wouldn’t have asked that. I’m not saying any teams should sign players who are accused of beating their spouse. I’m saying the Sox shouldn’t avoid a player just because he seems like a bad guy. I have no issue with the decision to sign Clevinger before this abuse issue came to light.

Yes, but using that strategy means we probably don’t ever sign AJ, and might not have that World Series. And no, I’m not comparing AJ to Clevinger at all. I’m simply saying that if you avoid all players who look like they might be a problem, then you could miss out on some solid players. Look at the Patriots. They are one of the most successful franchises in any sport over the past couple of decades, and they love acquiring players like that.

Devin Hester is looking great at WR so far and will definitely contribute on offense this year.

Keep in mind that Vaughn skipped AA and AAA. So the last two seasons were like his AA and AAA seasons, except he had to face major league pitching. His ceiling is much higher.

I feel like there's some contradiction going on with how much a manager can affect a team. The consensus around here was that TLR was terrible and cost us many games. But a lot of people are now saying that even if Grifol is better, it won't matter that much in the win/loss column. And I'm not talking about any individual person here...more of just a general feeling I get from reading several posts.

I think you are missing our point. Wins don’t matter in assessing how good a pitcher performed. But people were claiming that the TEAM wouldn’t have won as many games without the great performance of Cueto, and that simply isn’t true. You said that we “can’t say Cueto didn’t pitch well”, and you’re absolutely right. He pitched great.