Look at Ray Ray Run

Almost as bad as the hate this one poster gives the reigning AL MVP.

this is such a weird take. If they didn't like Madrigal, they wouldn't give him the time of day; they certainly wouldn't have shirts made in fun to poke fun at his confidence. I'm shocked you're saying that you think high tier athletes are turned off by confidence; go sit in any high level Division 1 Clubhouse and every single player thinks they're the shit. It gets worse the higher the level you go; that's the attitude you need to succeed. You implied the guys hate him and that's why they're doing that. That's nonsense. If they didn't like him they wouldn't give him the time of day, and they certainly wouldn't go out of their way to have fun with him at his expense. I think it says they like Nick if anything. I wouldn't spend time poking fun at a teammate I hated; only the ones I liked.

White Sox have made the playoffs 10 times in 121 years and fans out here talking about sacrificing value this year because maybe in 6 years the team might be OK.

Exactly. 6 years is not a guarantee. And messing around with a season that's projected to be a tight division race could literally destroy one of your few chances to win it all. Im also always going to be pro labor, but even beyond that it would be idiotic to potentially lose a chance at the playoffs getting cute with service time.

Nothing worse than fans pandering for their young stars to be screwed over with service time. It's honestly gross. Sox fans sure want to destroy player/team relationships. Good thing the Cubs got that extra year of Bryant. If the Sox are trying to win this year they should not be playing service time games and Sox fans arguing otherwise in a tight division race are hilarious to me.

i know this is just a part of your anti-jose bit, but if the Sox need a year of extra service time from a 1B then they are even more embarrassing than I thought. Vaughn is going to be a star, but first basemen aren't getting 200+ million dollar deals these days.

Why? Past injuries is the best predictor of future injuries; not age.

1. Greenspan is legitimately a clown; a guy who conned and schmoozed his way into elite circles. He's just a puppet in the game, he's not the one leading the charge. 2. This is a culmination of many things and many administrations. It all can likely be traced back to the infiltration of big money into politics that led to a slow decline and degradation of regulations and accountability. I still vividly remember reading that Obama didn't demand the big bank leaders didn't take massive bonus following bailouts because Larry said they would "lose them all" and the industry would weaken. As if the industry needed these morons to be there leading the charge with their securities fraud. 3. You're looking at Regan as the start of this entire process, so we're going on 41 years now. Glass Steagell repeal certainly hurt, which ironically enough was motivated by Rubin and other former direct workers who would benefit from the repeal. Clinton was a major player in this. But there are so many politicians complicit in this it's impossible to blame it on one person. As the emphasis is, it hurts the industry and the thousands/millions who are trying to make an honest buck in something that should be skill based on that speculatory driven by funds large enough to front load and move in their favor for profits.

My issue of this is obviously the "extreme" position definition. It's vague and not at all quantifiable in the sense that we could understand it. For example, the market has soared and following airline bailouts, bank bailouts and even auto industry bailouts we saw market hikes in those sectors influenced significantly by stock buy backs. Those buy backs are an artificial inflation of company/market value, given that they were basically funds taken from profits or government assistance and repurposed as shares in your own company. This reinvestment following bailouts should not be allowed, and additionally I believe most profit should be reinvested in company growth/employees and etc. The market right now is running at all-time highs in the midst of of a pandemic where an estimated 30% of small businesses have gone bankrupt. While the market itself has never been a direct reflection of GDP/business growth, it has mirrored financial progress enough so that it didn't feel out of sync entirely as it does now. THe issue has a lot to do with the easy access to money, the marrying of investment and non-investment banks, and the complete lack of oversight over not only those mergers but the continued actions in the world of securities. Additionally, these buy backs are toxic. My main point is I'd argue the market has been in an extreme position for months - influenced heavily by market insiders working directly with banking execs and QE with easy access/low cost funding. I see it often, and it's unfair and to me it feels illegal. Defining volatility and extreme positions always sides with the "experts" who are more-so insider trading money movers; using many avenues to exploit market moves for their profit and at the demise of people and companies everywhere. Even the GME thing was heavily influenced - moreso than by reddit - by other funds seeing an opportunity to capitalize off a completely idiotic position taken (the short % of float was simply a greedy play with far too much risk for any fund investing that much and controlling money from places like retirement funds) who helped bury a fellow fund allowing Cohen and Citadel to come in and "bail them out" (Who's shocked the person running Melvin is a former Cohen disciple, not me). I'm pretty sure Cohen has lost a boat load as well on this, but now he'll get it all back reinvesting in Melvin and getting a stake for well below the funds market value. In general, this boys club of insider moves, legalized manipulation via the media, and front loading of trade data has turned the entire market "extreme."

Couple of quotes on La Russa early that were interesting. Tim still seems a bit reluctant from this interview but says he's coming around to it. He also says that "we can't let La Russa overshadow what we're doing here."

https://twitter.com/ParkinsSpiegel/status/1365416319642972162?s=20

Nothing about squashing my fun. I haven't expressed any real negativity here and I'm excited for the season. Frustrated with the FO but excited for the group of guys. I just find it incredibly hypocritical of you that you don't call out VAfan for starting the same nonsensical thread over and over because it's optimistic but you feel the need to constantly call out posters who post negative thoughts. Just my two cents. Have a good weekend. Edit: now not being blindly optimistic = pissing on threads Being blindly optimistic though = great board contributions Lol you cradk me up pal. And banned myself lol. I don't post as much because of nonsense like above

Saying someone's range is from the worst hitter in baseball to one of the five greatest in the history or the game is ridiculous and nonsensical but you know that. No way to be wrong when you cover all bases though. I know you only defend optimistic posters and love squashing those who show dissent to that optimism though, so this is nothing new for you. Projections are about statistical probabilities, not vafans made up thoughts.

To be fair, this is VAfans 1000th thread saying the same thing. I find it odd that blind optimism over and over again is fine according to you but people on the other side of the spectrum nauseate you. If VAfan isn't a relative of Reinsdorf or Hahn then I'm envious of his only-optimistic view of life. It is a bit tiresome to read over and over again though.

I'm a big vaughn Stan but we should probably slow down on comparing him to one of the 5 greatest RH hitters in the history of the game. A 1st ballot hof'er who didn't even play the field. Thats... a bit aggressive.

Uh... no... it's literally bumping an old post to laugh at it's context sans whoever wrote it. I don't bump posts because certain people made them, and I don't care who made them. I bump them because their context was laughably wrong while speaking from some position of knowledge superiority over the person they were responding to. When I'm wrong, I not only will gladly admit it but I'll laugh at myself for being so confident on something I was so wrong about.

Our expectations ≠ Expected outcome. It is more likely the Yankees are better than the Sox in 2021; that is statistically supported. It does not mean it is guaranteed they are better, but logically arguing the White Sox are in worse shape (regarding expected outcomes) entering 2021 is more logical than arguing the Yankees are worse off entering 2021 than the Sox. Our opinions on the matter, without supported justification, are pretty irrelevant.

Yankees Projected wins: FG: 95 Off-shore Books: 95.5 BP: 97 Mean: 95.83 White Sox Projected Wins: FG: 87 Off-Shore Books: 91.5 BP: 83 Mean: 87.16

This is pure athletic pedastalling nonsense. Athletes are no better or worse, on average, working with people they don't like than the average person. Some of the best teammates are the worst players and the best players the worst teammates. That's life in general.

I find this part to be a bit ironic. For one, many in industry despise these big hedge funds who have basically found a loophole around insider trading and have exploited/manipulated the market in ways to benefit them which has directly effected other market players and cost them money. So if anything, the major players near the top have harmed 99% of those within industry which has led to animosity. Additionally, they give the entire industry a bad rap and a bad name; many are trying to make an honest living. Many didn't lobby for the profitization of the commodities market which directly led to starvation globally and immense issues for farmers in this country. Many didn't lobby to have things like mortgages turned into securities and then blocked and reblocked to turn subprime garbage into A graded securities. Many didn't lobby and push for the destruction of lending regulations that took advantage/exploited people into loans and etc they couldn't afford. The fact is, there are a lot of scum bags in industry, but the majority are people genuinely trying to make an honest living and the SEC/Governments reluctance to actually hold the worst of the worst (like Griffin and Cohen) accountable for the destruction of the industry has not only cost people below them lots of money but it's also given the industry in general a black eye. Instead, just like in '08, the SEC and government attempt to hold little people with little influence and support accountable as an example, as opposed to actually going after those whom have spent years manipulating every aspect of the market to the betterment of themselves. As for your second part, yeah the entire "complexity" thing is by design. There's nothing complex about 99% of the processes; it's the rhetoric and verbiage that are designed to confuse people and inflate the "difficulty" of what is being done. The SEC is a joke; certainly not some organization to be lauded for their crackdown on illegal activity that they never crack down on. All in all, no one should believe the government is going to do anything to any of these people; especially not after 2008 where they let the biggest fraudsters in the industry walk out of their buyouts with big bags of cash and zero accountability for bankrupting and making-homeless millions of Americans. If blatant predatory actions are no longer criminally illegal (fines don't deter given that that fines were much less than the profits made), then there's no reason for people to stop doing them. It's a damn shame, honestly.

This is fair BUT the implication from the post - as I understood it - was this was related to investors themselves (not the brokerage) extended on margin with the brokerage. Additionally, I'm not sure I would use the term margin call regarding a broker and a clearinghouse as the broker is not an investor per se. Given that it takes two days for them to clear the trades with the CH, and the volatility of GME, the clearinghouse upped the collateral requirements (also something I find shady) to reduce the overall risk. My problem is 100% not with them allowing traders to sell out of their positions. My complaint is entirely regarding manipulating the market by ONLY allowing you to sell out of a position. That should be 100% illegal. If trading is halted on the buy side, a promotion of sell-only by a brokerage should 10000% be illegal and classified as market manipulation. Additionally, as I said further down in my post it's flat out embarrassing that Robinhood ran into this capital issue in the first place. They'll be out of business (imo) soon enough.

😂 I'm not sure what part of this post is my favorite. Where you act like Hedge Funds will be held accountable for their wrong doings - Steve Cohen just bought a professional sports team with the 8 billion he obtained via illegal insider trading - or where you act like bigruss needs to provide you with hard evidence to support the idea that the market manipulators who are two of the worst people in the history of the financial industry in this country (Steve Cohen and Ken Griffin), two of the biggest crooks in modern American times, and then all he has to do is tip off the SEC who... **checks notes** ... have never even gotten into a court room with Cohen or Griffin despite their obvious illegal activities.... and he'll get 10% of the "fines." Your faith in the SEC is magical given that they spend 99% of their existence attacking little traders, and non-problem causers, and 1% doing nothing but saying very much. You claiming if it is there, it will be found is hilarious. The government literally had Steve Cohen's leading pharma/medical trader having hour+ long phone calls daily/weekly with the lead doctor of a Alzheimer's study/treatment that was in testing for a major pharma company; a company they had a major position on. Then the day before the studies results were to be released publicly at a conference, that same trader traveled to ann arbor michigan (where the doctor lived) and stopped by his house (phone records, receipts, all of it). After that meeting, the trader called Cohen, and that afternoon/following morning they moved out of their entire position before the doctor spoke at a conference where he had to declare the treatment did not succeed in trials (The doctor ironically enough was fired from his job at Michigan and fired as a consultant etc for his actions). They had the phone call made to Cohen right after the meeting; they had the sell calls put in to multiple different banks as to not set anything off; they had the phone calls nightly and weekly between trader and doctor (when no communication at all should have ever happened). What happened to Cohen? Nothing. That was one of many cases that led to him having to "close down" his first Fund which he was then allowed to open another one in 5 years. No actual charges were ever levied against Cohen either; just the fund. Certainly nothing criminal. You should probably stop trusting the SEC to actually hold incredibly wealthy funds/people accountable. Any by the way, everyone who works for Cohen is asked to do the same thing. Most big hedge funds are not operating on anything but illegal obtained information past company to company; or in citadels case, they get to front load all the robin hood buys/data because they pay for it; another thing that should be absolutely illegal.

Couple points, and SS2k I'm absolutely floored that you think this "These are the types of cases that the FINRA/SEC has brought its entire existence," which is true if you mean meaningless cases against people that pose the government no risk of legal pushback, and also that you believe that this guy deserves to go to jail for anything. He was posting his stake in GME when no one was viewing his posts, and the majority of people that were called him a dumb ass and money burner. He didn't push the position on anyone. The SEC should be investigating actual market manipulators, like Citadel for example. Or pretty much any other hedge fund that trades solely on inside information or sure market manipulation via a network like CNBC. Most that work in industry but don't work for these crooks (even many who do) understands how much damage they've done to the industry in a whole. 1. The brokerages that shut down did not due so far margin reasons. They did so because of clearinghouse issues and a demanded escalation of collateral that places like Robin Hood couldn't afford - which is incredibly embarrassing and unacceptable in the first place. Now, I also think there were other issues here and the fact that Citadel and Cohen were even hovering around leads me to believe it wasn't just Clearinghouse issues but that no doubt was the primary driver. I also have issues with a brokerage preventing you from using your money for whatever you like - the forced sales on that day should also be 100% illegal for any traders/trades not being made on margin. If you want to shut down margin trading, fine, but pushing people out of positions by being in sell only mode is manipulation in it's own sense. 2. Given the short % of the company float (which is what this was) many of these shares that were borrowed, were either never actually purchased (illegal) or they were borrowed out multiple times (Illegal but loopholed), both which should constitute naked shorting; the way they get around this is they lend shares out multiple times to different people/funds. Which is still naked shorting but somehow this loophole has led to the SEC cowering and not pursuing the proper channels to shut this BS down. You're misleading people claiming this 140% ratio was related to daily volume; this 140% was the short interest of the company float (which is total shares in circulation). They were naked shorting the stock. What the reddit kid did was not wrong. If a bunch of Hedge Fund managers and etc can go on CNBC in the middle of the day and declare apocalyptic BS to move prices in a direction to benefit their positions, then some guy posting his position on reddit for fun for months is not illegal.

Episode was a good listen. Frank asks Tim for 46 steals this upcoming season. 😆