[Machado signs with Padres 10/300]

5 minutes ago, heirdog said:

The insight seems to be based on several different circumstances weaved into a plausible scenario.  If that’s your take, great.  Roll with it and many will both be interested and perhaps agree and react.

But Occam’s razor is that despite what some believe, every single person in the Sox FO are not ridiculously incompetent.  Not one person here should believe for a second that Jerry has swooped in 2 months into this (and 2+ years in the planning) and put some archaic comp and stifled negotiations at a level below what the preferred destination Yankees (and probably 10 other teams) would pay.

I get it. Im not extremely happy with it either. Hope Im wrong but i trust my source since they generally give me insight, no false guarantees

[Machado signs with Padres 10/300]

1 minute ago, maggsmaggs said:

I have a hard time buying that the Sox view Pujols and Machado similarly. Machado is way younger reaching free agency and has much more defensive value. The comp makes no sense. 

The pujols comp is ridiculous in my opinion too, byt  it has to do with pujols performance before signing 10/240. They expect similar output from machado.

 

Things can always change swiftly

[Machado signs with Padres 10/300]

1 minute ago, heirdog said:

Bucket (macsandz), rabbit, etc are legit and bucket only comes in from time to time on major topics (big trades in 2017 and Manny mania) but I have a hard time trusting a poster that swoops in 18 hours ago and starts posting like an insider.

I get it. take me with a grain of salt. Im not saying who will/will not sign manny, just giving you guys some insight

[Machado signs with Padres 10/300]

1 minute ago, fathom said:

So if all this is true (I give posters the benefit of the doubt), the only way for the Sox to sign Manny is if the market total collapses and they're the last one standing at 25 mil?

I dont know that for fact. Id be putting my foot in my mouth if i said that. I just know as of right now, there is not another team willing to offer an AAV near his 32.5m expectations. The pujols comp is a sticking point to the frustration 

[Machado signs with Padres 10/300]

Just now, heirdog said:

KW never handles the negotiations, especially on FA signings.  It’s always been Hahn or Jerry (for the big ones).

 

Not True. KW is always involved in FA and international signings . May not be the lead negotiater, but normally always present and opinionated.

[Machado signs with Padres 10/300]

1 minute ago, fathom said:

so in your view, 8/250 is total BS?

Yes. Its an attempt to get Philly to shift focus from Bryce to Manny, and shut out Sox on signing by “matching” their offer.

[Machado signs with Padres 10/300]

Just now, Sockin said:

Does JR even watch baseball? Because trying to compare him to a 31 year old Pujols is absolutely ludicrous.

I agree, thats why JR is leading these negotiations and KW is not involved at this point. Jr beleives thats a fair comp. Organization is split on his value.

[Machado signs with Padres 10/300]

4 minutes ago, fathom said:

yeah if that's truly how they are going about this, they're not getting Manny (and quite frankly, might as well sell the team).  

I should add that KW is not involved in negotiations at this point. 

[Machado signs with Padres 10/300]

So I know Im some random . I dont have breaking news, but maybe I can lend some insight on these negotiations.

 

Machado and Pujols share an agent. If you remember, Pujols was given a 10/240 at 24m AAV coming off his age 31 Season, unfortunately guys, thats the stickig point with JR and co. Lozano and Machado are frustrated with the comparison. Theres a 5 year age difference between Machado and Pujols with a different defensive skill set. With the lack of interested teams and realization that they wont hit their target AAV; Lozano leaked the 7/175 contract to  the media with the attempt to attract new suitors for Machado to hopefully drive the price up. However, theres simply not a robust market for Machado. Yankees would of been aggressive on Machado in the 20-23m AAV range more on a 3-5 year deal. Jerry and Co are just as frustrated with the leaks as we are. They are trying very hard, but negotiations with the WS have stalled, With Lozano pulling to find a mystery team or two to maximize his value.

JR and co. truly beleive that 25m AAV is a competitive offer. If the sox don’t get off the pujols comp as far as AAV goes,  we are either going to be outbid or we wont see a signing until Spring training from what I hear.

Atleast the on the positive side, theres not a team that values manny as a 30m+ players...

The Sox will not bid against themselves, thats where the frustration is coming from here.