BackDoorBreach

I wasn't off by 15 million. I didn't include Abreu who is a FA. 50 million + 15 million is 65 million which is what you believe our payroll would be after he signs. I think we are at 49 and change after arb iirc. The problem with your scenario is Moustakas and to a lesser extent Grandal aren't going to get those ABs since all those IF positions are covered. You can get Grandal and rotate him and Collins between 1B/DH and C depending on where McCann is at in the lineup. Moustakas only makes sense if you plan to just use him as a primary DH and a sub a handful of games a year...since all the positions he plays are covered. Since Moose would have to be a DH he would not provide you 3+ WAR like JDM would since he is not anywhere near the hitter JDM is. Your scenario about JDM hurting in interleague games is also moot since Moustakas would literally not be playing unless Yo, Madrigal, Abreu, Grandal had the day off. Wait a year for what? To sign Betts to a 300+ million contract or Springer to a 150+ million dollar contract? They can't waste another year with this core as they head into arbitration. Pederson would be relatively cheap trade wise and if you can make the right deal you do it. If you don't think the Sox have a shot at Cole I really hope you aren't counting on Betts to be an option since he will cost ~100 million dollars more.

Dahl and Blackmon are bad outside of Coors.

They have a payroll of 50 million after arbitration. They aren't going to be playing with a 90 million dollar payroll like they did last year in a non competitive year. There are not any left handed power bats available in FA. I think they are going to swing a trade for that in RF. I am hoping Pederson since he will be relatively cheap with 1 year left before FA. JDM is 2x better than any LH bat on the market. What versatile player is out there that is going to give you 30+ HR, OPS 900+, and give you a 37%+ OBP? Especially for a DH. He is a special hitter with a deal that would be finished in 3 or 4 years. They need at least 1 LH hitting starter this off season, but outside of Grandal who is out there? We need a DH and RF positionally. The rest of the money should be spent on pitching, but nobody here thinks Cole is an option, thats only going to be around 30/year if they get a Wheeler and 5 man. Where is all the money leftover going to?

Abreu shouldn't be getting more than a 2 year deal and we aren't seeing Vaughn next year. Worst case scenario you have JDM, Vaughn, and Abreu trying to get ABs at the same time for a couple months in 2021. The rest of this is all hypothetical what if stuff. The Sox have a giant black hole at DH, JDM plugs that for 3-4 years.

What? He has like a 985 OPS the last 2 years. He would be a DH who gets on base 37% of the time and hits for big power, which we had none of in the DH spot last year.

We would also be in our first year "out of rebuild". All of those teams are very well established. I understand you are doing the 2 fWar thing to compare other teams to the Sox but it's pretty arbitrary. The Braves had 7 2+ fWar players, the Cardinals had 8 and both finished above the Cubs who had 11. The Sox are a couple pieces and improvement from young guys away from competing. Twins are losing one of their best pitchers more than likely and hit on almost all of their aquisitions. Cleveland has one of the better rotations in the league but have big holes in their lineup. They also went like 15-1 against Detroit which won't happen again. My point is if Jerry opens his pocket book and not his change purse we will be a very competitive team next year.

We have 7 2 fWar players not including Nova and round Eloy and Abreu from 1.9 to 2. Robert's floor is probably 2. So theres 8. And if they are spending 150-175 million in FA that's another 3 players above 2 fWar, which is 11. I don't know what Madrigal,Cease, or Kopech are going to do next year but there's a good chance 1 or 2 of those guys are above 2 fWar.

I think Joc would be absolutely worth trading for IF we can extend him. He's one of the better obtainable fits out there.

Yankees are more than likely trading for at least one pitcher. I've been saying this for months but unless something really drastic changes they aren't going to be in the market for Rendon or Cole. They have a shit load of assets they actually NEED to trade since they did nothing at the deadline + injuries. People here and Sox fans in general keep shitting on the Sox in regard to signing the huge names but nobody is in a better position than us. I think we will be in it for Cole which almost nobody thinks we will be. That is a franchise changing talent who will be still dominant during our contention years. If Hahn and Kenny fuck this up again (Not necessarily about Cole, just in general) I'll be getting kicked out of SoxFest this year.

They have some money coming off in 2021 that would offset all of the arb increases. I would be fine with 140-150 since we were in the 90 millions in 2019. I don't think adding 50 million of payroll in a year they should be competitive is crazy. That should be minimum.

I don't think we get Grandal since we have Collins and McCann. I just don't think he'll be looked at as a priority and it will free up money for areas of need.

Looks reasonable to me. Their payroll should hopefully be around 140-150 million after this off season. I don't know what our long term solution in RF is going to be though. If they go stop gap I think Calhoun is fine, just not a sexy aquisition. I am hoping they trade for a RF if they don't sign Castellanos.

I agree. There is no reason why we should be signing 38 year olds.

I said it's not sustainable or did you not read that part before going on your usual passive aggressive posting? He had a great career year but if you quoted me to argue about semantics than you are wasting your time. He's a career .276 hitter.

I think he will be in the 7 spot if we get JDM or legit DH and a power hitting RF which is a good problem to have. Tim is a ~25 HR guy that relied heavily on his hit tool this year. The problem with him if you want it call it that, is he is not a .335 hitter. He walked 15x all year in 500+ PAs to slash 335/357/508. He has a hyper aggressive approach that makes him look silly at the plate at times because he swings at everything. I know some on here are going to look at this like I'm talking shit about Tim but I'm not. He has to refine his approach and take his walks when they are available because what he did this year is not anywhere close to sustainable. I didn't look at his BABIP but I'm sure it's also extremely high. It was great to see him break out with his bat but he isn't a .300 hitter, IMO. He has the ability to be a 5.5-6 WAR player if he can get on base more and fix his defense. I also think he has more power potential but that approach has to be tweeked before he can tap into it. I love Tim and I think he's a great player but he can be a lot better going forward. Edit: Yeah is BABIP was .399. with a ~.360 wOBA.