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11 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

And since he came off the DL he's thrown 11, 15 and 15 pitches. You insinuated he'd go multiple innings tonight, it's OK to be wrong guy. Next.

Thanks but him pitching tonight doesn’t prove they aren’t building him up for playoffs. Obviously they had to back him off coming off the DL. The year long trend still indicates he is pitching on a schedule contrary to your claim which you still haven’t backed up with anything. That’s just bizarre logic. Because I insinuated he would pitch two and he didn’t, that means the Sox are absolutely not planning on stretching out Kopech in the second half. That’s just not good thinking, pal

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19 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

 

The actual results and usage are whom

Kopech isn't a guy you try and "get work" when he can't work like a normal reliever, 

Looking at the game log from April-may looks like he was on a schedule with increasing pitch counts to me

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Lady with baby was pissed

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I hope Collins doesn’t make ten errors and blow this

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7 minutes ago, flavum said:

When this game goes final, the magic number will be 69. 

23 times 3. Can’t get much more magical than that

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Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

That's not at all what they're doing but ok

According to whom?

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2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Especially given that he can't throw back to back games. The tlr excuse maker was here for us though  

At this point they should be building him up to be able to go 90 pitches by the end of the season with regularly scheduled work not saving him for high leverage

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5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Good thing kopech is brought in during a 9-1 game. Good stuff 

Good opportunity to give him 2 innings

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9 minutes ago, Thad Bosley said:

So help me god if we give Vaughn up for Frazier….

No way that is happening. Talk about selling low and buying high. Pretty sure the Sox know what they’ve got there

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6 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Watching the Orioles get the absolute shit kicked out of them is one of life's simple pleasures.  

Probably my favorite jomboy breakdown of all time:

actually, any Jomboy vid featuring the Orioles is pure bumbling gold.

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3 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Buerhle accumulated nearly 3 times as many win shares. His similar pitchers are hall of fame / near hall of fame.

Look at their peak years per JAWS,

• Mark 35.8 seven year peak (91st overall JAWS rank),
• Dallas 22.4 seven year peak (435th overall JAWS rank).

@Vulture- They are not similar or same, or even close.

I can't believe any Sox fan thinks Dallas Keuchel is anywhere in the same universe. The only "similarity" is they don't throw hard and they both played for the White Sox.

 

   1: having characteristics in common 

    2: alike in substance or essentials : 

3: not differing in shape but only in size or position

 

Didnt think I’d have to actually post the definition for you, but...

Let’s see some similarities. Both lefthanders that rely primarily on location w/. change up and big curve ball to go with ~90 mph fastball. Both with multiple seasons in 4-6.5 war range. Both multiple gold gloves. Both with numerous season in 120-140 ERA+ range. 

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10 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

I compared career comparable pitchers, based on the argument "they are the same pitchers". One has a bWAR three times as high, they are nowhere close to being the same pitcher.

He said they are similar. Similar does not mean the same. Why you making up quotes now? If he was the same pitcher he’d be retired. He’s a similar type pitcher with similar stuff, who has had similar seasons.

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8 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

1. This is the 149th game for the White Sox since Dallas was signed, so just under, not "anywhere near". He has 150 innings because he's been hurt, doesn't go long because he gives up a shit load of base runners. Blames Rickey Renteria, the outfield positioning, among other things for his failures.

2. They are not similar pitchers. Mark Buehrle at just under 4 fWAR per year is truly elite. Keuchel had 1.8 fWAR against the shitty central divisions last year, 0.6 so far this year past the half way point (may drop further after today).

3. Not to mention Hahn signed Turd Ferguson for $76M, or a few million less than what Buehrle was paid over his 11 elite seasons.

Baseball Reference:

Mark Buehrle: 60 bWAR, comparable pitchers (Two Hall of Famers - Jessie Haines and Catfish Hunter), Orel Hershiser, Bob Welch, Kevin Brown among the others)

Dallas Keuchel: 22 bWAR, comparable pitchers (Teddy Higuera, Clay Buchholz, Chad Billingsley, Pete Vuckovich, Carlos Carrasco).

Why’d you leave the best comparable pitchers off Keuchel’s list though? Haddix, Tudor and Scott? His 22 war is all 2014-2021. 3.34 ERA and 3.46 fip. Sorry but that is similar to Buehrle numbers

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1 minute ago, maxjusttyped said:

There's no need to carry a replacement level catcher on the 40 man for so many years was my only point

If he were a good hitting catcher he wouldn’t be available to carry on 40 man in AAA as emergency catcher is my point. Same way if Mercedes were any good behind the plate he wouldn’t have been available to carry on 40 man at AAA

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9 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said:

I don't think he's prime Yadier Molina or anything behind the plate. Good defensive catchers that'll give you a .600 OPS are the epitome of replacement level.

That’s why they call it replacement level. He’s the replacement

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2 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said:

I know this is nitpicking to the extremes, but carrying Savala on the 40 man for so many years is a wasted roster spot. No one would claim him on waivers and he can't hit at all.

He isn’t on the 40 man to hit. If he could hit he’d have stayed in the majors along time ago. AAAA catcher with advanced skills who can’t hit isn’t exactly a new phenomenon

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4 minutes ago, BRDSR said:

It was, and too bad.  Engel seemed pretty locked in, just couldn’t aim one fair until the high chopper.

That was a good at bat. His swing is looking short and quick. Hopefully more to come from AE

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Goodwin isn’t a bad hitter. He did have a .800 ops in full time play in ‘19. There’s no else any better to hit cleanup against a righty at the moment if you’re going TA, Moncada and Abreu at the top

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3 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said:

Red Sox might actually do it. lol

Id send him there for anything.

There’s probably two or three teams in baseball with a better #5 right now. People bitching about Keuchel being overpaid while Sox paying under 30 million for DK, Rodon and Lynn. Good luck matching that production for thirty mil

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I bet the Red Sox or Yankees would take Keuchel.

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Why they wearing Mark Buehrle patches?

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2 minutes ago, Heads22 said:

I, in particular, like watching Andrew Vaughn hit.

I’m telling y’all, he’s is going to be the best hitter of the bunch. Been saying that for a year now

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1 hour ago, Sambuca said:

I do not disagree either.  Never said I did. 

My point is what is the point of Pone saying this through the media?

He’s a TV commentator, he is media. Kind of his job isn’t it?

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2 hours ago, Sambuca said:

https://www.audacy.com/670thescore/sports/chicago-white-sox/steve-stone-burden-on-eloy-jimenez-fit-in-with-white-sox

Is there a reason why The Pone felt it was necessary to lay into Eloy like this?

Probably because Eloy said, “remember this I still don’t like DH” in an interview

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1 hour ago, vilehoopster said:

Is Stone saying what, at least, 90% of the people on this board are saying: That whether he likes it or not, Eloy has to accept that he's going to be a DH and maybe some 1st base so that he doesn't get hurt anymore. Stone is being honest. Is that "lay(ing) in to Eloy"?  I don't think so. 

I don’t see how moving to first would help. The walls at least don’t move, unlike runners and other fielders, and he would still be approaching the wall on pop flies anyway. Don’t have to worry about him falling into the dugout in the outfield either, except when he returns at the end of the inning.