South Side Hit Men

The Burger Era may be coming to an end.

Ha Ha, Take that Romy Haters!!!

The Sox have developed / signed many top pitchers over the years, but Larry Himes's prospects signed over four years were the only legitimate core signed and developed by the White Sox in the draft era. This is why White Sox fans can't have nice things. Top Ten MLB Career bWAR Draft and Signed Players (Round & Year) by GM. Rick Hahn (2013-2022) 17.6 T. Anderson (1 2013) - Starting SS 2023. 16.7 C. Rodon (1 2014) - 11.2 with the White Sox through 2021. Hahn declined QO. 3.8 A. Bummer (19 2014) - Set up reliever 2023. 3.1 A. Engel (19 2013) - Reserve OF post tanking. Released 2022. San Diego 2023. 2.3 N. Madrigal (1 2018) - 0.6 after 83 games, Traded for Kimbrel. 1.6 A. Vaughn (1 2020) - Starting 1B 2023. 1.4 C. Heuer (6 2018) - Traded for Kimbrel 0.0. 0.8 post trade with 2021 Cubs. 1.2 J. Burger (1 2017) - Possible starting DH effective May 2023. 1.2 D. Mendick (22 2015) - Reserve INF, Mets AAA in 2023. Released 2022. 1.0 I. Hamilton (11 2016) - Waived 2020, claimed by Seattle. Ken Williams (2001-2012) 46.0 C. Sale (1 2010) - 30.1 with White Sox. RH Trade Dec 2016 for Moncada 13.8 & Kopech 4.4. 37.5 M. Semien (6 2011) - RH Trade with Bassitt & Phegley 2.4 for Samardzjia 0.3 and Ynoa 0.2. 28.3 G. Gonzalez (1 2004) - Traded with Rowand for Jim Thome 12.1. 16.5 C. Young (16 2001) - Traded with El Duque for Javier Vazquez 12.1. 14.1 C. Bassitt (16 2011) - RH Trade - See Semien above. 10.0 B. McCarthy (17 2002) - Traded for Danks 20.4. 8.7 H. Santiago (30 2006) - 4.4 with Sox before RH Trade for Eaton (13.4 + 2016 Trade). 7.1 D. Hudson (5 2008) - Traded for Edwin Jackson 4.2. 6.9 R. Sweeney (2 2003) - Traded with Gio Gonzalez for Asshole Nick Swisher -0.2. 6.0 A. Reed (3 2010) - 1.1 w/ Sox before RH Trade for Matt Davidson -0.2. Ron Schueler (1991-2000) 59.1 M. Buehrle (38 1998) - Awesome Sox career 48.7. KW Released 2011. 10.4 final 4 seasons. 46.7 M. Cameron (18 1991) - 5.9 before Trade to Reds for Paul Konerko 28.1. 20.9 A. Rowand (1 1998) - 12.7 before KW Trade with Gio Gonzalez 28.3 for Jim Thome 12.1 14.7 J. Crede (5 1996) - 12.4 before KW 2008 release. 2.3 with Twins in 2009 (Beckham 2.1). 10.1 C. Bradford (13 1996) - 0.0 before KW Trade for Miguel Olivo 2.2 + F. Garcia Trade. 9.9 M. Sirotka (15 1993) - 9.9 before KW Trade to Toronto for David Wells 1.3. 8.0 M. Guerrier (10 1999) - KW Trade to Pittsburgh for Damaso Marte 8.0. 8.0 K. Wells (1 1998) - 1.3 before KW Trade for Todd Ritchie -1.7. 7.6 B. Donnelly (27 1992) - Released April 16, 1993. 6.2 J. Rauch (3 1999) - -0.7 before KW Trade for Carl "Was, Not Was" Everett 2.2. Larry Himes (1987-1990) 73.8 F. Thomas (1 1989) - 63.8 HOFer before jealous KW 2005 Release. 10.0 Oakland/Toronto. 56.1 R. Ventura (1 1988) - 39.4 over 10 seasons. RS Release 1998. 16.7 Final 7 seasons. 33.8 R. Durham (5 1990) - 21.4 over 8 seasons before KW Trade for J. Adkins 0.1. 28.5 A. Fernandez (1 1990) - 20.3 over 7 seasons. RS Released 1996. 5.9 & WS w/ Florida. 27.8 J. McDowell (1 1987) - 21.6 over 7 seasons before RS Trade for L. Mouton 1.9. 16.9 B. Wickman (2 1990) - RS Trade with Melido Perez 8.0 for Steve Sax -0.2. 9.3 J. Baldwin (4 1990) - 8.2 over 7 seasons before KW Trade for G. Majewski 0.0. 3.6 J. Borowski (32 1989) - RS Trade for Pete Rose II 0.0 3.3 J. Bere (36 1990) - 1.7 over 6 seasons before RS Released 1998. 1.4 J. Ruffin (4 1988) - RS Trade for Tim Belcher 0.5. Ken Harrelson (1986) 6.4 S. Radinsky (3 1986) - 2.6 before RS 1995 Release. Roland Hemond (1974-1985) 38.8 H. Baines (1 1977) - 22.2 first stint before LH Trade for Alverez 17.4, Fletcher 2.6, Sosa 1.1 29.2 D. Drabek (11 1983) - Trade for R. Smalley -0.1. 24.9 R. Velarde (19 1985) - LH Trade for S. Nielsen -0.9. 17.9 B. Burns (3 1978) - Enter MLB career with White Sox. KH Trade for 2.4 J. Cowley & Hassey. 16.4 P. Vuckovich (3 1974) - -0.4 before Drafted by Toronto in Expansion Draft. 14.6 R. Karkovice (1 1982) - Entire MLB career with White Sox. Released 1997. 13.4 S. Trout (1 1976) - 5.7 for 5 seasons before Trade for Scott Fletcher 10.5. 7.8 B. Thigpen (4 1985) - 8.4 over 8 seasons before RS Trade for Jose DeLeon 5.3. 6.2 D. Frost (18 1974) - 0.6 before Trade with Downing 43.2 for Richard Dotson 17.4. 5.1 R. Baumgarten (20 1977) - 6.0 before Trade for Vance Law 4.0 + Later B. James 3.0. Stu Holcomb (1971-1973) 5.4 K. Kravec (3 1973) - 6.3 over six seasons before RH Trade for Dennis Lamp 6.1. 1.9 B. Sharp (2 1971) - 1.2 over three seasons before RH Trade for B. Coluccio -0.2 0.3 M. Squires (18 1973) - Entire career with the White Sox before RH 1985 Release. Ed Short (1965-1970) 41.2 R. Gossage (9 1970) - 9.9 before RH Trade with Forster 7.5 for Richie Zisk 2.7. 20.4 T. Forster (2 1970) - 12.0 before RH Trade with R. Gossage 31.3 for Richie Zisk 2.7. 10.5 C. May (1 1966) - 10.1 before RH Trade for K. Brett 4.9 & R, Coggins -0.9. 6.1 J. Hairston (3 1970) - Entire career except 1977 Pittsburgh (51 G) before LH 1989 Release. 5.9 L. Johnson (3 1968) - 6.1 over 8 seasons before 1981 Release. 3.0 K. Frailing (5 1966) - 0.6 over 2 seasons before RH Trade (with 3 others) for R. Santo -1.4. 1.6 P. Edmondson (21 1965) - 1 MLB season (14 games in 1969), 1969 Release. 0.3 B. Kimm (7 1969) - SH Trade with B. Miller -0.9 for Eddie Fischer 0.6. 0.2 D. O'Toole (6 1967) - 0.2 before RH Trade for J. Kremmel included in R. Santo trade -1.4. 0.1 J. Geddes (6 1970) - 1972-1973 MLB, played in minors until 1975.

Chet Lemon was awesome, was really sad when he left the White Sox. Not necessarily a HOFer, but a far better candidate than POS Kirby Puckett plus a bunch of Veterans Committee hacks (pun intended) JAWS CF 21st (55.6 bWAR, 46.4 JAWS). Put my list up primarily to illustrate the gap between "White Sox Elite Stars" and actual "MLB Elite Starts", both now and in the past. Frank Thomas is the notable exception. Sad that Conor Gillaspie is Top 10 over the past decade. Eloy is "not worth the squeeze".

Sox aren't at risk at just dropping below the tanking year attendance numbers. They are at risk of dropping below the all time new park era - the two post WS cancellation + White Flag Trade 1998-1999 seasons (not counting the two government lockout season/ partial season 2020-2021). Perhaps Chief Revenue Boyer can join Hahn out the door.

Expanded for a timeline greater than 2 months. Position Player fWAR through Age 26 season: 2014-2023 MLB M. Trout 42.1; M. Betts 37.1; F. Lindor 30.9; C. Correa 26.9; M. Machado 26.1 J. Ramirez 25.1; B. Harper 24.9; J. Soto 24.2; K. Bryant 23.7; C. Yelich 23.4 White Sox Y. Moncada 12.8; T. Anderson 10.1; L. Robert 8.7; A. Eaton 7.6; E. Jimenez 5.1 A. Garcia 4.7; Y. Sanchez 3.7; O. Narvaez 2.6; A. Engel 2.2; C. Gillaspie 1.7 1991-2023 MLB M. Trout 63.0; A. Rodriguez 52.8; A. Pujols 45.8; A. Jones 41.8; K. Griffey Jr. 40.5 M. Betts 37.1; B. Harper 33.3; M. Machado 32.3; D. Wright 31.3; F. Lindor 30.9 White Sox F. Thomas 27.6; R. Ventura 20.0; Y. Moncada 12.8; T. Anderson 10.1; A. Rowand 9.3 M. Ordonez 9.3; L. Robert 8.7; P. Konerko 7.6; A. Eaton 7.6; C. Lee 6.7 1947-2023 MLB M. Trout 63.0; M. Mantle 61.3; A. Rodriguez 52.8; K. Griffey Jr. 48.0; A. Pujols 45.8 E. Matthews 45.2; J. Bench 43.6; H. Aaron 43.5; F. Robinson 43.4; A. Kaline 42.8 White Sox F. Thomas 30.0; C. Lemon 22.8; R. Ventura 21.8; L. Aparicio 15.8; N. Fox 14.0 C. Carrasquel 13.7; H. Baines 13.3; O. Guillen 13.2; Y. Moncada 12.8; R. Hansen 12.3 1871-2023 MLB T. Cobb 63.5; M. Trout 63.0; M. Mantle 61.3; R. Hornsby 57.2; J. Foxx 55.9 M. Ott 53.5; A. Rodriguez 52.8; K. Griffey Jr. 48.0; T. Speaker 48.0; A. Vaughn 47.7 White Sox F. Thomas 30.0; C. Lemon 22.8; R. Ventura 21.8; L. Aparicio 15.8; R. Schalk 14.6 W. Kamm 14.2; N. Fox 14.0; C. Carrasquel 13.7; H. Baines 13.3; O. Guillen 13.2

Keep up the good work White Sox fans. This and only this might possibly impact Hahn’s status if sales numbers accelerate downward.

The same losers lamenting the loss of the faux Champaign "Chief", Aunt Jemima syrup, and tolerance of open racism beyond their homes, taverns and churches.

Thankfully for Scholtens, he plays in the AL Central and has more juicy matchups coming up. Welcome to my 2019 Thanksgiving Day. This is either Hahn's plan or Hahn and Grifol's joint plan.

Cuda-ish update: Career fWAR - Current position player active rosters career numbers vs. Babe Ruth (current rosters with negative fWAR not included). Top 3 career fWAR players listed for each team. 254.8 Los Angeles Dodgers (Freeman 52.4; Betts 52.1; Heyward 33.9) 193.6 New York Mets (Lindor 43.6; Marte 34.5; Nimmo 19.5) 187.7 San Diego Padres (Cruz 40.8; Bogaerts 36.2; Carpenter 33.2) 179.0 Toronto (Springer 32.8; Chapman 25.9; Belt 25.3) 167.0 Babe Ruth (12.4 Pitching not included) 162.5 Saint Louis (Goldschmidt 55.8; Arenado 46.7; 16.3 Contreras 16.3) 161.1 Houston (Altuve 48.6; Bregman 31.4; Abreu 26.6) 160.7 Philadelphia (Harper 44.6; Turner 32.4; Realmuto 30.6) 150.3 Atlanta (Ozuna 21.8; Acuna Jr. 21.0; Olson 19.5) 136.8 New York Yankees (Judge 38.2; Rizzo 36.7; DJ LaMahieu 26.4) 126.5 Los Angeles Angels (Trout 83.9; Ohtani 14.5; Renfroe 10.3) - Ohtani's 10.6 Pitching fWAR not included 121.7 Detroit (Cabrera 67.9; Baez 24.1; Schoop 17.9) 115.3 Arizona (Longoria 54.6; Marte 17.3; Ahmed 12.4) 108.5 Pittsburgh (McCutchen 51.6; Santana 23.6; Reynolds 13.4) 107.1 Minnesota (Correa 31.6; Buxton 19.2; Gallo 15.8) 99.3 Chicago White Sox (Grandal 37.8; Anderson 18.8; Moncada 14.3) 98.0 Cleveland (Ramirez 42.7; Zunino 18.6; 8.5) 97.9 San Francisco (Crawford 30.3; Conforto 19.7; Haniger 11.6) 96.2 Texas (Semien 28.3; Seager 27.1; Garcia 8.2) 92.7 Colorado (Bryant 32.5; Blackmon 19.4; Moustakas 15.4) 87.2 Milwaukee (Yelich 38.2; Adames 14.5; Anderson 9.6) 84.5 Boston (Turner 35.3; Devers 19.1; Hernandez 11.8) 80.8 Chicago Cubs (Swanson 18.1; Gomes 17.4; Happ 12.1) 77.1 Miami (Segura 24.5; Wendle 10.1; Gurriel 10.0) 66.5 Seattle (Suarez 22.0; Pollock 20.7; Wong 18.6) 63.0 Tampa Bay (Lowe 11.9; Diaz 10.2; Margot 9.5) 53.9 Baltimore (Frazier 12.1; Mullins II 11.7; Rutschman 6.7) 51.9 Kansas City (Perez 16.6; Bradley Jr. 14.6; Duffy 8.1) 34.7 Oakland (Laureano 9.9; Diaz 7.0; Kemp 5.5) 34.5 Cincinnati (Myers 14.5; Casali 4.7; India 4.5) 31.2 Washington (Dickerson 12.7; Candelario 9.7; Thomas 2.4)

Clevinger, take the rest of the season off. Thank you.

I can see either way, especially if sauces are on it. Now if he is eating a Snickers Bar that way, you're on to something.

Yes, and the same needs to happen in RF (Eloy until Colas is ready).

Kwan pulling a base running error. Didn't pay attention to the 3rd base coach per Len and DJ. Aggressive is good, but dumb is not.

There was no credit for the steal of 3B with the caught stealing of 2B. Rosario has the lone stolen base for the Guardians in the first inning. https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-guardians/2023/05/22/718072/live/live

They called it a wild pitch on the radio, but were also critical of Grandal. Grandal taketh, Grandal giveth away.

This. I was crystal clear these were accusations, he / she said. I simply answered the question as to a few of the reasons why some (perhaps many) of us are not comfortable being “entertained” by this person. Dont care if they have a 10 ERA or win Game 7 of the World Series, or anything in between.

Perhaps Grifol does not have the authority to remove Tim Anderson from the lead off spot. I stopped assuming managers have the authority they did pre Moneyball era. Well, except for Tony who seemed to have no restrictions, but at times also no sense or logic.

But who is going to buy Jerry's September carrots? I prefer having only division winners in a playoff (two divisions in each League my preference) to the postseason I stopped following beyond a couple exceptions since 1993. Still enjoy on and off the regular season, but not as a means to an end. Not sure who is watching these playoffs when the ratings have been abysmal since 1994. I enjoy following the regular season. My favorite format would be international football, with relegation. Two Twelve Team Leagues (American and National for the Top Level). Round robin play - 14 Games vs. 11 Teams (154 Game Schedule). Lone Playoff is the World Series between the Two League Winners (at each level) Relegation of bottom club in each league (2 teams per season), promotion/relegation from/to Levels 2, 3, 4 and a 5th level open to new and established organizations. All the minor leagues will also be either American or National, to always keep promotion / relegation continuity, and also conduct Championship series for their levels (and also have the same round robin format). Give the system 5-6 years to get established, create new clubs, establish developmental clubs, etc.. Also give MLB teams 5-6 years to get ready for do or die because 6 teams are getting relegated after the final year of the current shoddy format. New teams can open anywhere, Chicago could have 1, 2, 3 or perhaps 6 teams, whatever economics, willing owners and demand would dictate. New franchises, if successful, could reach MLB within 5-10 years, depending on how successful their clubs are at each subsequent level. A Mark Cuban can come in and build a winning franchise in Pittsburgh, or Dallas, or wherever he wanted. Success or failure is determined on the field after a long season. As it should be.

The two primary differences between Clevinger and Bauer are 1. Clevinger's accusations also involved children in his domestic violence versus acquisitions against Bauer and the primary accuser appeared more damaging physically and 2. Baseball came down hard on Bauer primarily because the Dodgers wanted to get out of a nine figure contract. MLB and the White Sox didn't have the same motivation ending Clevinger's $12M deal. Neither had criminal prosecutions, both relied on he said / she said, both have multiple acquisitions against them. If there was evidence Hahn and the White Sox knew and signed him anyway, I wouldn't be watching any games until ownership and the front office were gone (Reinsdorf, Kenny, Hahn and Clevinger). F Osuna, Chapman and the rest of them.

Would be cool to expose the ten Central teams with all finishing under .500. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to eliminate the leagues and or return to the division heavy schedule to create an illusion of six or eight "quality" division winners, plus "quality" wild card teams. MLB Standings - Records vs. under .500 teams: AL East: 1 Tampa Bay 17-2; 2 Baltimore 15-4; 3 New York 14-4; 4T Toronto 11-7; 4T Boston 11-7 AL Central: 1 Minnesota 15-10; 2 Detroit 10-7; 3 Chicago 10-9; 4 Kansas City 8-8; 5 Cleveland 12-13 AL West: 1 Texas 19-9; 2 Los Angeles 15-7; 3 Seattle 15-10; 4 Houston 14-11; 5 Oakland 4-11 NL East: 1 Atlanta 16-6; 2 Miami 15-9; 3 Philadelphia 15-11; 4 Washington 10-7; 5 New York 15-14 NL Central: 1 Pittsburgh 16-9; 2 Milwaukee 16-12; 3 Chicago 11-10; 4 Saint Louis 7-9; 5 Cincinnati 9-12 NL West: 1 Los Angeles 20-8; 2 Arizona 15-10; 3 San Diego 8-7; 4 San Francisco 10-10; 5 Colorado 11-16 MLB Standings - Records vs. over .500 teams: AL East: 1 Tampa Bay 17-12; 2 Baltimore 16-12; 3 Boston 15-14; 4 New York 15-16; 5 Toronto 14-15 AL Central: 1 Minnesota 10-12; 2 Cleveland 8-13; 3 Detroit 10-17; 4 Chicago 9-20; 5 Kansas City 6-26 AL West: 1 Houston 13-8; 2 Texas 10-8; 3 Los Angeles 10-16; 4 Seattle 7-14; 5 Oakland 6-27 NL East: 1 Atlanta 13-11; 2 New York 10-9; 3 Miami 9-14; 4 Philadelphia 7-13; 5 Washington 10-20 NL Central: 1 Milwaukee 9-9; 2 Saint Louis 14-18; 3 Cincinnati 10-15; 4 Pittsburgh 8-13; 5 Chicago 9-16 NL West: 1 Arizona 12-10; 2 San Francisco 12-14; 3 Los Angeles 9-11; 4 Colorado 8-12; 5 San Diego 13-19

James Fegan is the one White Sox reporter worth following.

Saint Rita 5 Brother Rice 2 "Keep the line moving."