South Side Hit Men

I’m fine if a complete organization rebuild occurred, as qualified baseball people brought in a quality candidate. That has never, nor will ever happen under Jerry Reinsdorf. “Gave proof through the night Darryl Boston was still there..” Lucas hired Katz because Hahn didn’t have any ideas, and Tony’s guy didn’t want the job. Still think he is far better than anyone willing to take the job under these circumstances (dying owner, incompetent GM/Manager, weak roster and prospects, weak pay). Tell me exactly who did Cooper “fix” over his last 16 seasons with the White Sox? Sale and Quintana didn’t need fixing. If Sale didn’t tell Kenny to go f*** himself, he’d likely be bullpen fodder his entire career here. Cooper was Kenny’s clubhouse snitch, got his extension behind Ozzie’s back which is why Ozzie left with two games left once he found out about it. That is what he did, and little else, since 2006. He was pitching Daryl Boston.

If the plan is to remain disciplined and strech him into 2-4 inning appearances over the remaining 4 1/2 months, than that will hopefully build a legitimate base of innings so that he can start 25 or so games next season. Need to allow him to work on 3-4 pitches so he can pitch effectively in a starting role. Can also determine whether he will have the capacity to exist as a starter at the ML level, can convert him to high leverage after this tryout period. It's good Tony isn't here and there is nothing left to play for so they can possibly have Crochet reach his full potential without worrying about current needs.

Kopech's one OK season was in 2022 under Katz. Lucas worked with Katz before his 2019 season, had solid seasons in 2021 and now 2023, also under Katz. Cease had his first good season in 2021 and first great one in 2022, both under Katz. Rodon finally put it all together in 2021, under guess who. But sure, fire Katz. Sounds like a Rick Hahn plan. Good luck with that.

I voted Moncada, but Robert Jr. is the current Sox in this category. Would say these were the best hitters during my fandom: Luis Robert Jr. (2023) Jose Abreu (2014-2022) Alex Rios (2013) Paul Konerko (2005-2012) Frank Thomas (1990-2004) Harold Baines (1980-1989) Chet Lemon (1977-1979) Jorge Orta (1975-1976) But there is more than hitting to the game, so I’ll post my favorite White Sox Players through the years, most of whom were also solid to great hitters. Favorite White Sox Position Players: Billy Hamilton (2023) Jose Abreu (2014-2022) Alex Rios (2013) A.J. Pierzynski (2009-2012) Joe Crede (2003-2008) Magglio Ordonez (1998-2002) Harold Baines (1996-1997) Tim Raines (1991-1995) Ron Kittle (1990) Harold Baines (1982-1989) Chet Lemon (1978-1981) Richie Zisk (1977) Jorge Orta (1975-1976) Favorite White Sox Pitchers: Lucas Giolito (2018-2023) Jose Quintana (2017) Chris Sale (2012-2016) Mark Buehrle (2010-2011) Jose Contreras (2005-2009) Esteban Loaiza (2003-2004) Keith Foulke (2001-2002) Mike Sirotka (1998-2000) Doug Drabek (1997) Alex Fernandez (1995-1996) Jack McDowell (1993-1994) Bobby Thigpen (1988; 1990-1992) Richard Dotson (1986-1987; 1989) Britt Burns (1980-1985) Ken Kravec (1979) Wilbur Wood (1975-1978)

Nice, sounds like a win for me. I don’t have a block list as I’m not a coward.

1. Hawk on the 2022 clubhouse 2. Another Reinsdorf media hack Ozzie on the Score in March said Jose is no leader, he just cared about himself and his stats. 3, Abreu did not receive respect from the organization. https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports-saturday/2023/3/3/23622977/jose-abreu-astros-white-sox-mlb-2023?utm_campaign=slgreenberg&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter You can read many posters here trashing Jose in this thread.

Top 6 fWAR hitters (1964-1977) 78.4 Joe Morgan 75.6 Carl Yastrzemski 70.0 Pete Rose 67.4 Hank Aaron 61.2 Ron Santo 61.2 Dick Allen Top 60 fWAR hitters (1980-2000) 1-6: B. Bonds 110.1, R. Henderson 106.0, C. Ripken 93.0, W. Boggs 88.3, K. Griffey Jr. 73.9, T. Raines 66.0. 7-12: M. McGwire 65.8, B. Larkin 64.6, T. Gwynn 64.5, O. Smith 64.2, J. Bagwell 62.8, A. Trammell 61.3. 13-18: L. Whittaker 61.2, R. Sandberg 60.9, P. Molitor 60.4, E. Murray 59.7, F. Thomas 59.7, R. Palmeiro 58.6. 19-24: M. Schmidt 56.5, E. Martinez 56.4, R. Alomar 56.0, R. Yount 55.2, C. Biggio 55.0, W. Clark 52.0. 25-30: G. Brett 51.6, F. McGriff 51.2, M. Piazza 49.8, A. Dawson 48.8, R. Ventura 48.5, G. Carter 48.3. 31-36: L. Walker 47.5, T. Phillips 46.6, K. Lofton 46.2, J. Olerud 45.0, K. Puckett 44.9, D. Murphy 44.7. 37-42: D. Evans 44.4, M. Grace 44.2, T. Fernandez 43.6, W. Randolph 43.0, M. Williams 43.0, K. Hernandez 42.5. 43-48: B. Butler 42.2, A. Van Slyke 41.9, D. Strawberry 41.5, I. Rodriguez 41.2, S. Sosa 41.1, D. White 41.1. 49-54: A. Belle 41.0, J. Canseco 41.0, D. Mattingly 40.7, P. O'Neill 40.4, L. Dykstra 40.3, J. Clark 40.0 55-60: C. Knoblauch 39.9, H. Baines 39.7, D. Justice 39.2, R. Lankford 39.2, G. Gaetti 39.0, J. Barfield 39.0.

That's nice and a well deserved tribute. However, I'm addressing the largely racist contemporary media during his career who found him "uppity", and the Baseball Writers who kept him out of the Hall of Fame, many of whom were the same people. https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/50-year-old-bad-press-keeping-dick-allen-hall-fame/ https://deadspin.com/the-gross-racism-that-cheated-the-legacy-of-dick-allen-1844717189 https://www.cooperstowncred.com/dick-allen-another-chance-hall-of-fame/ Then you have Jerry Reinsdorf's Crony Veterans Committee statements and actions, sabotaging Dick Allen and putting in arguably the least qualified player in baseball history into the HOF. Dick Allen 1,749 Games 58.7 bWAR, JAWS 17th (3B) Harold Baines 2,830 Games 38.8 bWAR, JAWS 76th (RF) https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/white-sox/ct-chicago-white-sox-dick-allen-hall-of-fame-20201122-bzvayrqspvelthiyqgbwzckq4e-story.html https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/12/10/harold-baines-hall-fame

Would be awesome to see Liam return to the team this week.

They need to fly me to the draft. First pull for me. PICK TEAM 1 CHI White Sox 14-28 .333 5.0 Lost 1 4-6 16.50% 2 Kansas City 12-30 .286 3.0 Lost 3 4-6 16.50% 3 Colorado 17-24 .415 8.5 Won 1 6-4 10.00%

The entire media crucified Dick Allen as a cancer, Jerry Reinsdorf repeatedly called Dick Allen an unworthy HOF candidate. There were dozens of post 2022 stories by the media trashing Abreu's lack of leadership, he only cared about himself and his stats, only spoke with Spanish speaking players. Nobody called him a cancer, but everyone trashed him as a "leader" when he simply tried to lead by example by busting his ass and playing every day. People also criticized Harold Baines for being a quiet reserved player, he just went out and did his job. There is at least loud vocal minority who have called Yoan and Tim cancers for years. Many here praised Keuchel in 2020 when he trashed Renteria and the team. He was a leaker of clubhouse discussions to the media and a self proclaimed leader who needed to speak up and lead a team of losers to winning ways. We all know how that worked out.

This isn't so. Mookie Betts 2023: Right Field (32 Total Appearances, 26 Starts, 20 Complete Games, 231 Innings). Second Base (9 Total Appearances, 7 Starts, 3 Complete Games, 56 Innings). Shortstop (7 Total Appearances, 5 Starts, 2 Complete Games, 41 Innings). Contraras hasn't started anywhere but C and DH this decade. No outfield not even for an inning in Saint Louis or even the Cubs in 2022 (played the final inning in LF and 3B in different games in 2021, zero in 2020. Already addressed Betts above. Lux hasn't played this season, was primarily a 2B last year (102 Games at 2B, 28 in LF and 9 late inning defense substitutions at SS last season (0 starts). Chris Taylor is a utility player in the mold of Leury Garcia (.644 OPS), with the difference that Taylor can hit (.764 OPS, .736 this age 33 season). Muncy plays 3B this season (zero starts at 1B or 2B), and played 3B primarily in 2022 (84 Games / 713 Innings vs. 31 Games / 223 Innings at 2B).

Cancers / Not Leaders Great Guys / Leaders Got it.

Sheets shouldn't be on the roster if Burger, Vaughn and Eloy are on it. 2B and RF need to be filled by players who can play the position. Yoan is the best 3B and should remain at 3B. No dramatic in season shifts should occur because of Hahn's annual abysmal roster construction and annual holes in RF and 2B. Any transitions of long standing players sinch as Yoan or Tim should be well thought out and agreed to in October to allow players a full offseason to prepare even before Spring Training.

What are your expectations for games played by a starter? Most reasonable people would consider 140 games per season (86% games played) an expected no injury pace. Shortstop is more taxing than any other position besides catcher. Tim played in 74.1% throughout his career.

Chicago White Sox 2016-2023 Tim Plays 376-419 .473 White Sox Overall 502-571.468 Tim Does Not Play 126-152 .453 Chicago White Sox Front Office allegedly "Trying Era" 2020-2023 Tim Plays 155-119 .566 White Sox Overall 223-203 .523 Tim Does Not Play 68-84 .447

Billy Hamilton enters the chat.

Yes. He is 23rd among LFers, so definitely not a quality player but a credible OK LFer. Not worth $75M, however, he has about a $25M-$30M negative value contract.

Tim Anderson is 38th in fWAR among position players since 2016. Jose Abreu is 33rd since 2014.

Tim busted his ass for over 8 seasons and what did it get him? Zero Postseason with the absolute trash Hahn fields year in and year out. He had to play the past two seasons with a senile drunk driving assclown. I don't blame a single employee (non officers) for hating their current work situation with the White Sox. This is a trash organization, one with a mission statement from their owner to finish in second place. The same team who trashed their greatest players on the way out (Frank Thomas, Carlton Fisk). The owner and senior executives are among the worst of any sports team. Anyone with any talent would be disgusted with every game they suited up for this clown show, knowing it was completely and utterly futile in terms of team success, and will continue to be until they are finally able to leave and sign elsewhere.

Don't forget Liam. Colas can provide help as well if he can take the next step, the Sox have two legitimate starting outfielders on their roster.

I stand with Tim and Jose. They wasted several of their peak years playing for an absolute horseshit organization. I hope both win a World Series before they retire.

What was he doing? Not surprised because Jerry and his minions are absolute pond scum. Every single officer including Brooks Boyer and Stadium operations Terry Savarise need to be shitcanned yesteryear. Between the AWOL security staffing with brawls going on for minutes with zero response, to the 45-60 minutes plus just to enter an under 20,000 attended stadium with the lack of gate personnel, to another 15-20+ minute line to enter because the piece of s%*# Reinsdorf conducts the only 100 level / main concourse second ticket inspections across The MLB, again in part because the severely understaffed crew so Jerry can screw over minimum wage workers the state is heavily subsidizing. This all is intentional, Jerry wants to f*** over the handful of fans still going out to watch his rancid product lead by the dictionary picture of crony incompetence, Rick Hahn. Really sad that 18,347 bought tickets, I hope attendance drops into the four figure level as the team sinks further into the abyss.

No he doesn’t.