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    Offseason Thread

    They never said what his innings target was. I think they managed him his workload well, he had no base and they were conservative. However, next season they need to solely commit to him starting, developing 3-4 pitches and being ready to start games in late June or July, perhaps a 2-3 inning start and work his way to 120-140 innings including playoffs. His usage the past week was ridiculous, and Tony should apologize to both Michael and the fans for pitching him in Game 4. This is exactly how it went down in the post game press conference. He prefaced it by saying "after I became stablished", i.e. sometime in Oakland. Wonder if players can trust Hahn or others in the organization to keep their thoughts on La Russa confidential. With a manager controlling your life's income via playing time, especially younger players, it's best to keep your mouth shut than risk everything. This organization has had a shady record over the years, especially when it comes to leaks, management clubhouse informants/plants, etc.. Abreu and other select veterans do whatever the hell they want, play when they want, demand they play even if it's smart to sit them for health or rest, etc. However, if veterans serious about doing what it takes to win a championship, and a ballot was confidential, the results may not be in Tony's favor.
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    Rick Hahn 2021 End of Season Press Conference

    I think you quoted the wrong part, or the article was updated. Losing Hawkins will help the Cubs, and hurt the Guardians. Some here may be more concerned with the former, but it works for me. Detroit and Cleveland will begin narrowing the gap with the Sox next season, unless the Owner and FO steps up and makes significant improvements. Both already enjoy a schematic advantage in the dugout.
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    Ozzie says intent doesn’t matter with Abreu beanings

    You are missing my point. The average ball player today would have been a star back in the day, the average player back in the day would have trouble making a ML roster today. There would be a few limited outliers, including some you call out, but they would be the exceptions, not the rule. And the training and health components are not the only factors. The population pool was tens of millions of white Americans and a couple dozen black players when Koufax came up in Brooklyn, and wasn’t much larger by the time he retired. He was much larger size wise than nearly all other pitchers in his era. Today, the talent base has increased tenfold, reaches Latin America, Japan, Korea. This phenomenon is not limited to baseball, as hockey and basketball grace experienced the same exponential growth in talent pool. George Mikan is not even starting in the NBA, let alone in the hall of fame, if born over the past few decades. PS - A healthy Secretariat would have beaten them all, no horse will ever match or beat his record at Belmont, and it’s unlikely they touch his Kentucky Derby time. In that sport, the population of available athletes has shrunk, as the tax write offs available to owners and breeders changed in 1986, and the sport has been in precipitous decline. The 1973 Belmont Steaks is the greatest athletic performance in my lifetime, no human in any sport will ever come close to matching that level of domination.
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    Rick Hahn 2021 End of Season Press Conference

    Make no mistake, the old fossil loved him some Craig Kimbrel as well. https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/la-russa-on-kimbrel-plan
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    Ozzie says intent doesn’t matter with Abreu beanings

    Such a fucking hypocritical asshat. Dotson told reporters after the game Tony ordered him to throw at Murray and Cal Ripken because the Orioles where ass whupping another of his ill prepared White Sox playoff teams. https://vault.si.com/vault/1983/10/17/knocking-their-sox-off Tony is the last of the relics of yesteryear, MLB Mall Cop. Clueless about what’s going on during the game, laser focused on the unwritten rules. He and his team were an embarrassment out there, Dusty just looked at him like he was the clown that he is. Even Abreu looked at him like WTF, he and his teammates just wanted to get out of there at that point after being thoroughly unprepared at every facet of the game to compete against a quality and prepared playoff opponent. Won’t be the last time as long as Tony remains. Even AJ who has only seen the team a few time this year was two-three steps ahead of La Russa in key situations. I wish the Sox had a manager who was more focused about beating his opponent than beaning his opponent.
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    Ozzie says intent doesn’t matter with Abreu beanings

    And what about the typical lineup he faced, mostly Madrigal or Altuve size, played half the year, sold insurance or worked at a store the other half of the year. Blacks and Latin Americans were mostly excluded until the end of his career (10% combined participation in the late 50s to about 20% when he stepped down), and the handful who did were stars / MVPs because they dominated in a league full of recreational softball players. People cherry pick this or that player. But if you watch a game, you would think it was maybe a high school or college game by the size of the players. Keith Hernandez one of the bigger players at 6 feet 180 lbs in the 1980s. “Giant” Mickey Mantle was 5’ 11” 195 lbs., now most middle infielders are bigger, stronger, more muscle, and they play sober. Koufax faced nine hitters, most of whom would be high school sized today, with a much lower physical ability than today’s player. If Koufax, physically a giant in his era (6’ 2” 210 lbs) had to face the 2021 Astros or White Sox, with today’s strike zone, he’d have trouble getting through the lineup more than two times.
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    Offseason Thread

    I thought McCann at $10M and Grandal at $18.3M were both ridiculous. I wanted Renfroe, Zunino and Wacha for what they paid Eaton last year. Wacha wasn't good, but the other two were excellent values.
  8. I hope Hahn watches this video before getting involved in any three-way trade.
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    Ozzie says intent doesn’t matter with Abreu beanings

    Doesn’t stop La Russa. Donny, you’re outta your element. Watch games from decades ago, hitters, pitchers, their bodies, their abilities. All but a few HOFers would be run of the mill starters or bench players today. Better fundamentals the only advantage from “back in the day” and today.
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    ALDS Game 4 - HOU @ CWS - 1:07 pm CDT

    Wait for the whistle.
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    Offseason Thread

    Yes, Thank you., I should have included them. I don’t think they have the will to make the moves to adequately fill these holes without going Top 10 / $180-$200m. Their poor roster construction and players who cannot cover a position beyond DH/1B (Eloy, Sheets, Burger, Grandal, Abreu) limit what they can do without moving one of these players.
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    Offseason Thread

    I believe they have more wiggle room than you are stating, especially if they let Kimbrel walk. They need to spend around $50M for a SP, 2B, RF, and a couple quality bullpen arms to legitimately contend for a WS championship. They can do it if they spend wisely, Hahn doesn't feel the need to settle for mediocrity or worse before Christmas. In this instance, the CBA will help because I'm not sure there will be much of a market until after the CBA is settled beyond signing team/player options. Current Commitments (includes 2021 / 2022 buyouts & 2022 Arbitration estimates by MLB Trade Rumors): $120.3M for 15 players Old Guys $90.0M (5 Players): Abreu $19.7; Keuchel $19.5; Lynn $18.5; Grandal $18.3; Hendriks $13.0; Kimbrel $1.0 (buyout). Core $30.3M (10 Players): Giolito $7.9; Jimenez $6.5M; Robert $6.0; Lopez $2.8; Bummer $2,5; Engel $2.2; [Cease, Sheets, Kopech and Crochet $0.6M each]. This is why I don't like signing / moving Kimbrel, it's another mistake because the Sox are likely going to eat a substantial portion of that contract. They were the only team to spend more than $11M AAV last season on a reliever (Hand and Rosenthal the only other relievers over $10M).
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    Rick Hahn 2021 End of Season Press Conference

    Yes, but do you want your owner joining fans to trash you and your team on Twitter after a bad game? Fans may think winning is everything, but working in a good environment, for good people, in a good organization, trumps winning a "piece of metal". You spend thousands of hours at work, a good situation means everything.
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    Rick Hahn 2021 End of Season Press Conference

    You might want to watch Hahn's 5 minute introduction of Tony.
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    ALDS Game 4 - HOU @ CWS - 1:07 pm CDT

    First half of the discussion, Stone focused on the defense. Discussing the various little things the Sox do poorly, talking about outfielders not hitting the cutoff and specifically calling out Eloy. Steve then spent a substantial amount of time focusing on Grandal, his hard hands which causes an inability to block balls in the dirt, in comparison to Maldonado. Steve specifically called out the fastball Rodon threw on 0-2, and Steve surmised Rodon threw it because he cannot rely on Grandal to block his best sliders in the dirt. Then he moved on to the abysmal base runner management, by all three catchers and the pitching staff. He finished talking about Rodon's health and pending free agency, and Kopech needing to be able to fool hitters with location and velocity to progress as a starter.
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    Rick Hahn 2021 End of Season Press Conference

    Hopefully Jerry does the right thing and allows either to interview for a promotion if they so desired. Jerry blocked Kenny previously when Toronto tried to hire Kenny to replace Jerry's friend Paul Beeston as Toronto Blue Jays President several years ago.
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    Ozzie says intent doesn’t matter with Abreu beanings

    Rick just finished his one year paid vacation courtesy of Hahn's October 2019 extension. Rick is now free to pursue other opportunities without compensation due to the White Sox. I wish him the best, and believe he will join a Major League coaching staff, perhaps as bench coach, if he wants to work again.
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    ALDS Game 4 - HOU @ CWS - 1:07 pm CDT

    Steve Stone for a postmortem on the Laurence Holmes show at noon.
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    ALDS Game 4 - HOU @ CWS - 1:07 pm CDT

    Pants was fortunate Comiskey fired him before the Black Sox scandal. Pants became an American League umpire for five seasons, followed by a scout for the Cubs, the President for the Pacific Coast League (PCL) Los Angeles Angels, and eventually Commissioner of the PCL, before returning as VP of the Cubs until he was 90 and passed away. Sadly, Tony may surpass age 90 with the White Sox in an attempt to pass Connie Mack on the all time win list.
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    ALDS Game 4 - HOU @ CWS - 1:07 pm CDT

    Tony thanks both Jerrys for their service. Chicago White Sox All Time Manager Postseason Winning Percentage Leaderboard Ozzie Guillen 12-4 .750 (2005; 2008) Fielder Jones 4-2 .667 (1906) Pants Rowland 4-2 .667 (1917) Kid Gleason 3-5 .375 (1919) Al Lopez 2-4 .333 (1959) Gene Lamont 2-4 .333 (1993) Ricky Renteria 1-2 .333 (2020) Tony La Russa 2-6 .250 (1983; 2021) Jerry Manual 0-3 .000 (2000)
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    Offseason Thread

    You only sign Kimbrel with the intention of keeping him, at least through July. A sign and flip is an idiotic plan. His market isn't over $15M AAV ($16M option less sunk cost buyout), it just isn't. Unless the Sox are seeking massive payroll increases, Kimbrel is not a good use of 2022 payroll. 2021 was pro-rated. Hahn will have to deal with the fallout (internal and external) of overpaying trade capital for the 2022 option that ends up going to waste.
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    Madrigal

    Yes, but multiple reports out of Sox world indicate Madrigal was a d bag in the clubhouse. part of the calculus of moving him. Addition by subtraction, "3,000 hits" notwithstanding. I believe Dave Duncan's son is primarily responsible for the statistics and defensive alignment "strategery" employed by La Russa all season. He ain't going anywhere until Tony leaves the organization. Streets and Sans has less cronyism than this organization.
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    Thanks For 2021 Sox

    Ozzie Guillen is not the answer, either. JR's cronyism got the Sox to where they are on 10/13, it's not going to bail them out. Ozzie had one great season (99-63), and was .500 the rest of his career (648-647).
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    Grade this year's trade deadline

    Hahn arguably did a far better overall job this season (Oct 2020 - Sept 2021) than the year (Oct 2019 - Sept 2020) he was crowned "Executive of the Year", though that award was primarily an award earned in 2016-2017 for selling off the inherited assets of Kenny Williams plus Adam Eaton, who Hahn acquired. Note - 2020 and Trade Acquisition Salaries are pro-rated for amounts paid by the Sox (2020 salaries divided by 2.7 (60/162)). 2020 Season (Oct 2019 - Sept 2020) $82.7M (10.1 bWAR) - Salaries and bWAR paid/earned are for 2020 and 2021 Future Options: Abreu (2022 $19.7M); Grandal (2022 & 2023 $36.5M) & Keuchel (2022 $19.5M, or $38M for 2022 & 2023 if he vests). Signed Rick Renteria to a Two Year Extension. Fired him after 60 games, eating his 2021 salary. Yasmani Grandal $25.1M (4.6) Dallas Keuchel $24.7M (0.3) Jose Abreu $22.4M (6.0) Edwin Encarnacion $4.4M (-0.3) Nomar Mazara $2.1M (-0.1) - Trade for Steele Walker Gio Gonzalez $2.1M (-0.2) Steve Cishek $1.9M (-0.2) 2021 Season (Oct 2020 - Sept 2021) $42.6M (12.9 bWAR) Future Options: Hendriks (2022 - 2024 $42.7M); Lynn (2022 & 2023 $38M); Kimbrel ($15M for 2022 ($1M buyout included below); Hernandez (2022 $6M Team Opt). Fired Rick Renteria with one contract year remaining, signed Tony La Russa (chalking the latter up to JR) & added two crony coaching positions. Fired clubhouse snitch Don Cooper and hired Ethan Katz. The rest TLR's staff were TLR's selections or inherited staff he was OK with. Liam Hendriks $13.3M (2.6) Lance Lynn $9.3M (5.4) - Trade for Dave Dunning & Avery Weems Adam Eaton $8.0M (0.0) Craig Kimbrel $6.8M (0.0) - Trade for Codi Heuer & Nick Madrigal Carlos Rodon $3.0M (5.1) Cesar Hernandez $1.9M (-0.8) - Trade for Konnor Pilkington Ryan Tepera $0.3M (0.6) - Trade for Bailey Horn
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