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  1. 44 minutes ago, SoxAce said:

    I have no idea why they made the height and weight of the player public. The report basically doxxed him (when they weren't trying to). Only took me 5 minutes to go back and look from that on that 2010 team and found out who the player was. 

    And the one thing this has told me is what I already knew for years. John McDonough is a grade A piece of shit. Never liked him then, hate him even more now.

    I wouldn’t assume this aspect. Rocky paid for each and every word in that report and investigation.

    This law firm’s primary purpose was to exonerate the person who paid for this sham investigation. It is not credible that John McDonough did not discuss these incidents with Rocky Wirtz, who first stated he never knew of these allegations until the lawsuit was filed, and then after his statement, his organization later stated they conducted an investigation, and that the accusations of abuse and coverup had NO merit.

    This law firm did not and would not allow cross questioning of victims or other witnesses, wouldn’t even commit for months to make any findings public. This was not an open, independent, or transparent process. 

    Several key witnesses and one key victim did not participate due to the lack of independence or reciprocal efforts to “seek the truth”. 

  2. 2 minutes ago, ron883 said:

    It's a national tragedy that the guy isn't a manager anymore. PC nerds that have never played baseball want him out of the game. 

    He and his kids have said a lot of stupid shit over the years, though none more dumb than saying he loved Fidel Castro while managing in Miami, home of a million and a half Cuban-Americans. Ballclubs are unwilling to brining in a clown car full of Guillens. It has nothing to do with it being "PC", it's just bad business and an unnecessary distraction from your product.

    That said, if he can stick to baseball, he would be a good fit in SD. He is a good players manager (at least for a 3-5 year window), is solid strategically, would definitely be an upgrade over many current managers including in the Sox dugout. He might be the right fit to run the clubhouse and keep Preller from micro-managing. Preller would benefit from Ozzie's insight and the fact he is from outside of Preller's circle. I think Preller will still go with someone he can control, or control more than Ozzie, but perhaps he learned it's good to have a mix of thoughts and ideas, and interfering with day to day games is counterproductive to overseeing the big picture.

    Surprised you like Ozzie since he chews tobacco.

  3. 16 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

    When you have all the facts,  control the message, have the ability to make the necessary changes.......and still fuck up the messaging.  

    Wtf man, today is not the day to say you appreciate Stan for his efforts and say "he made a mistake".  Everyone in that report should be cast out and treated as the bottom feeders that they are

    They also retain their name and logo, the organization has had a permanent disconnect with proper messaging. Today was nothing more than a self-serving way to avoid any ownership responsibility and attempt to regain credibility. It would be a perfect day to wipe the entire slate clean, not lose a penny by promoting Danny and hiring a new president, and forming a new identity like the Cleveland Guardians are doing. The team is behind perma-scum such as Dan Snyder at this stage.

    Would love nothing more than for John McDonough to spill the beans on what he told Rocky Wirtz about these incidents and Rocky's response. Also what was discussed regarding Bill Peters, and whatever else went down over there that the public is not aware, though this public airing will never happen.

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  4. 2 hours ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

    The Confederacy had a lot more than "support within [the] population" of Missouri, though it definitely had that, along with maintaining its status as a slave state.  Missouri was officially accepted into the confederacy in 1861, though the pro-confederate governor and his gov't were eventually forced to function in exile.  It sent legislators to the Confederate Congress.  It sent tens of thousands of soldiers to fight in the Confederate army, and Missouri had its own rebel battle flag.  In fact, Missouri represents one of the 13 stars on the "stars and bars" of the Confederate battle flag.  There are Confederate war monuments all over the State.  That's more than enough for me to consider it a "Confederate" state, and I think it's a little ridiculous for Missourians to claim separation from the Confederacy or claim the State was somehow fully part of the Union.  Anyway, I nodded to the complexity and disputes surrounding Missouri's Confederate status in my original post and recognize we're way off topic.

    Well, Maryland is the lone Union Slave state who remained loyal to the cause 160 years later, including their support in their official state song. Maryland finally surrendered a few months ago.

    Dear Mother! burst the tyrant's chain,
    Virginia should not call in vain,
    She meets her sisters on the plain—
    "Sic semper!" 'tis the proud refrain

    That baffles minions back amain,
    Maryland! My Maryland!

    I hear the distant thunder-hum,
    The Old Line's bugle, fife, and drum,
    She is not dead, nor deaf, nor dumb—
    Huzza! she spurns the Northern scum!
    She breathes! she burns! she'll come! she'll come!
    Maryland! My Maryland!


  5. Just like MLB's investigation of the Astros which served primarily to exonerate their Owner who remains in place, Rocky's paid for investigation whitewashed any involvement by Rocky Wirtz (0 mentions in the report). He must also resign as chairman to complete the cleansing of this sordid organization.

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  6. 1 hour ago, WBWSF said:

    I always thought his low home run total (185/195) has kept him out of the HOF.

    He has always played in challenging home run parks. Comiskey Park was 352 down the lines (with 12 foot high walls), 375 to the alleys and 410 to CF. Cleveland Municipal Stadium was 395 to the alleys and 410 to CF.

    Minnie still finished top 10 in slugging eight times, including second behind Williams in 1954 (and finished with the highest bWAR that season). Minoso was a 13 time All Star, Top 4 four times in MVP balloting, finished with a .299 / .387 / .461 career.

    Certainly a better addition to the HOF than most of the Veterans Committee elected White Sox already in the HOF, who also did not have the biographical background and discriminatory burdens Minoso faced.


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  7. 3 hours ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

    Not true—2011 Cardinals/Rangers (though I guess some might dispute the extent of Missouri’s membership in the Confederacy) .

    Not true. 

    Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware had significant support within their population for the Confederacy, but never officially joined, nor did they abandon their representation in Congress or the Electoral College during the Civil War.

    Owning slaves remained legal in those states throughout the Civil War. Lincoln only “freed” slaves in states he did not preside over in his Emancipation Proclamation, though he did try (the four border state legislators rejected emancipation for compensation bills). 

    Slaves were not freed in the four states noted above, including Missouri, until after the 1864 election, when the 13th amendment was passed.

    I also did not recognize territories claimed by the Confederacy, such as Oklahoma (NBA 2012 Oklahoma City vs. Miami).

  8. 3 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

    They lucked their way into 3 cups. 

    Well the four who took credit for winning 3 cups lucked into it, because it was Bill Wirtz and his guy Dale Tallon who acquired the core team responsible for the Hawks' on ice success. 

    Rocky, John and the Bowmans took credit for the work of others, but when it came time to rectify their racist coach's behavior (Bill Peters) or report their serial rapist video coach to the authorities, they turned the other way. Stan approved demoting the black player subject to abused by Bill Peters. Rocky's organization not only condoned a culture of taunting the sexually abused players, but later recommended Aldrich for jobs with access to children, who Brad of course also raped until he was finally arrested, convicted and jailed.

    Bill Peters was fired by a responsible organization, for Bill's actions while he was with Rocky's organization. Then again, Rocky's team logo is also racist, so there is no evidence Rocky, John or the Bowmans consider rape or racism wrong, or that they are responsible for either at this juncture.

    John was finally purged to save Rocky ca$h during COVID and give his son a job. Rocky, Scotty and Stan need to go immediately, if not sooner, as well as anyone else still there in a position of authority who aided and abetted Aldrich either during his time in Chicago, or provided employment recommendations after his departure.

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  9. 1 hour ago, Thad Bosley said:

    Why?  If what he says is true about him never hitting the cutoff man, that’s a very important observation.  Why would/should the analyst paid to analyze not include that in his analysis if that’s what he believes?

    Bet yet, why didn't Tony or Daryl work on this with Eloy?

    It's not the first La Russa led White Sox team called out for poor defensive fundamentals by their team paid announcers. Perhaps Tony will form another possy and physically confront Steve Stone in Arizona, or Tony himself will muster the courage to take a swing after "a glass or two" of wine.

  10. Would love Willson Contreras. Would be a difference maker behind the plate, Grandal could catch Lynn and one more, DH/1B most other games. Both stay fresh. Thought Madrigal + Heuer for Contreras would have been a fair exchange in July, not sure if he was available. Sox should have been asking if he was. Young and healthy enough to extend for 2023.

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  11. 24 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

    His sons have a group buying up White Sox shares, and they will be the executors when JR checks out. Looks like the people they have financing their purchasing are the next shareholders of the team with either both or one of the Reinsdorf in charge.

    as I have posted many years ago, I worked with someone who did business with Michael, and knew him fairly well. At least then, Michael wanted to run the White Sox, and told the person I know, that there were some things he would do a lot differently than his father. His first few years with the Bulls it seemed like more of the same, but maybe JR still being there had an effect. I won’t give him too much credit for sending GarPax packing. Didn’t Pax concede it probably was time for a change? 

    I guess what I am getting at is, good or bad, it is hard to judge how Michael will be if JR is still involved. I do know back in the day he was for a little more risk with payrolls, and trying to get more attractions surrounding the park. Things they could build in parking lots.

    My understanding was they were/are buying shares for less than full market value (i.e. Jerry's price) for minority shareholders looking to cash out now for estate planning purposes. It could be for long-term post Jerry ownership, or for solid capital gains when it comes time to liquidate.

    Don't get me wrong, I like what Michael has done cleaning house with the Bulls, installing a solid FO and coaching staff, and would most certainly welcome that shift with the Sox, be it through Michael's efforts or someone else. Jerry loved taking on both organizations, it's a lot to take on (and they have other interests as well).

    It did take a few years before Gar/Pax were removed after Jerry stepped down, so I wouldn't expect with the Sox to rush through the process, going with the current group through their current "multi-championship" window.

  12. 5 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

    Karnisovas and Hoyer are just as quiet about actually telling you what they are gonna do.  Honestly I can't even recall Arturas talking about anything, I don't even know what he or Everley sound like, and I listen to the Score every day while working.  Hoyer is just a cliche machine.

    it's just not worth getting worked up over, they aren't gonna tell you anything super important 

    Again, there is nobody "getting worked up" over the press conference or lack thereof. Just finding it odd it hasn't happened without something possibly important happening (Hahn not returning).

    Grandal's surgery could have been one reason to delay (to announce the results), but that news was learned vis Grandal's instagram, not the team.


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  13. 4 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

    But none of the above will tell you anything that you should actually listen to.  Hahn isn't gonna lay out his plan, he is gonna generalize the year and say he was dissatisfied with the ending of the season and they have already started planning this off-season.  

    Nobody tells you anything anymore, the last time Hahn did anything remotely close to that was when he said "you will know by our first move in the off-season which direction we will be going" right before they traded Sale and Eaton.

    Well, by him holding it means he is likely to return. Also can learn if there are any changes to the coaching staff, updates on the two surgeries, and a general direction or approach to the offseason.

    Karnisovas / The Bulls' new regime have been open with their process, and Hoyer has been available and candid on a regular basis. 


  14. 28 minutes ago, Snopek said:

    Because we are eager to put Hahn's lawyer-speak under a microscope in order to squeeze out more speculation in the form of threads with questions we can't answer? That's my best guess at least.

    I prefer hearing from the team as opposed to Portillo's Beef,  Not Steve Cishek, Heavy Cheese Fries, Jimbo's Stale Beer, Garden on a Bun, and potential 2022 Rookie Leaker of the year candidate Abreu's Jalapeno Hard Sliders.