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2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:
Wow, thanks. I would have understood if Cease told Getz he wants to test the open market. Not sure what if anything was discussed regarding a possible extension with that quote.
Would be really sad if the Sox don’t extend Robert, and Oakland signs a nine figure contract (likely after a move to wherever) before the White Sox.
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31 minutes ago, fathom said:
Reading that Getz said that they wouldn’t have been able to afford extending Cease was so pathetic
WTF. Can you provide a link?
Sounds like this may be the last over $100M payroll season until possibly 2029 with that line of thinking.
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2 hours ago, GreenSox said:
I have no idea who will make it.
But from what I've seen, Lee should make it over Stassi; Mendick would be ridiculous. As for Kopech, yes he was good out of the pen in 2021; but he was good as a starter in 2022. I'm not sure that the the pen is the magic salve.I didn’t realize DeJong was primarily a 3B before here, so Mendick might not make it. Mendick can still cover all three INF spots (like Sosa), plus late game out of players corner OF for limited games, so his flexibility might still help him make the team.
Who would be your three preferred non catcher reserves?
I’d replace Mendick with Shewmake with this new to me information if Shewmake is healthy.
Also hope Lee, Colas and Sosa come up and play regularly early in the season to assess if they can contribute in the future.
Total Games Played at 3B - All Levels
Total Games Player (Starts)
40 Man Roster
- 549 Moncada (541)
- 276 DeJong (177)
- 249 Ramos (248) AA
- 115 Lopez (45)
- 59 Sosa (52) AAA
- 26 Rodriguez (21) AAA
- 11 Lee (7) AAA
- 3 Maldonado (0)
- 2 Vaughn (1)
- 2 Shewmake (0)
- 1 Sheets (0)
Remaining NRI Players
- 497 Remillard (266)
- 132 Mendick (116)
- 88 Elko (0)
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30 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:
Bro the mopes you're yelling at have been living and dying with this franchise for decades. We know what the Sox' median season is. We know what the spreadsheets say. Like, focus on some positives sure (even I have) but just don't yell at people not blowing sunshine and rainbows before the season even starts.
I’m sorry, the card says Moops.
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3 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said:
@Dick Allenis not a guy that has a history of puffing up the Sox. For some reason, that seams to be your reason to exist here. Like just calm down a bit it's only March 23rd. By July, there's like an 80% chance we're 10 under and your account will be deactivated.
If we're not? Well, crow then. There's only so many strawmen people can knock down in the meantime.
Getz and Pedro might be offered mid-season extensions if the White Sox are within ten games of .500 at any point in July.
High Water July Record Hahn Era:
- -12 (July 2, 2023: 37-49)
- +1 (July 31, 2022: 51-50)
- +21 (July 20, 2021: 58-37)
- 0 (July 25, 2020: 1-1)
- -1 (July 3, 2019: 29-30)
- -25 (July 3, 2018: 30-55)
- -8 (July 3, 2017: 37-45)
- +3 (July 9, 2016: 45-42)
- -1 (July 29, 2015: 49-50)
- -3 (July 31, 2014: 53-56)
- -14 (July 4, 2013: 34-48)
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I don't see Ohtani retiring from baseball to play in the NBA G-League, before returning to the Dodgers in August 2025
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Owners were to approve the partial 40% transaction in a few weeks, but will now approve the 100% sale of the Orioles at their upcoming meeting.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/03/orioles-owner-peter-angelos-passes-away.html
New ownership open to spending, even by say a reasonable $30M-$50M more based on the $320M in revenue disclosed last August would go a long way to keeping Baltimore competitive for the rest of this decade.
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Kopech ends the 5th with a 101 MPH fastball for strike three.
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Perhaps Nastrini needs more than four starts at the AAA level before being handed a rotation spot.
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Good God those uniforms look horrendous. Like a little league team outfitted by Wal-Mart or jerseys silk screened in someone's garage.
Nastrini with a walk but no further damage.
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3 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said:
There's a webcast: https://www.mlb.com/video/cws-sea-spring-training-webcast-91983
Len has returned, he was sick for the Wednesday broadcast.
Iowa game is at the half. They are leading Holy Cross 48-30, will have that on mute with the radio broadcast and watching the webcast during halftime.
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https://www.mlb.com/gameday/mariners-vs-white-sox/2024/03/23/747832/preview
Final radio broadcast of Spring Training. Hoping it's Len and DJ so I can enjoy listening. No television as apparently the 2024 World Figure Skating Championships are NBC Sports Chicago's priority this afternoon.
Starting pitchers are projected 5th starter for the White Sox Nick Nastrini, sporting a 0.82 ERA & Ratio over four ST appearances. He will be opposed by RHP George Kirby with an 8.31 ERA and 1.73 Ratio over 3 ST starts.
The White Sox are a -125 favorite, run line Seattle -1 1/2 + 165, total is at 10 runs -118.
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55 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
Yes, it has 350 innings and 4.5 of those War from Thorpe, Crochet, and Soroka.
I think that is fair criticism, and either number is terrible for an entire staff. I do think that over/under performances vs. the projections will mostly even out (so say expected 2024 White Sox Staff fWAR will end up somewhere between 7.5 and 10.0 in 2024).
Let me be clear my statement was addressing the disparity between the two staffs. 8.8 or 10.0 overall. Both indicate a bottom 10-14% pitching staff across the history of the MLB.
From 1901-2023 (excluding the 1974 season which for some reason isn't populating team fWAR), there are 2622 total pitching seasons.
- Cleveland's 2017 staff has the highest Pitching fWAR at 30.4.
- The 1915 Athletics were the worst all time (excluding the 2020 owner lockout) at 0.3 fWAR
- 8.8 fWAR would tie for 2207 of 2620, but should place them lower due to the fact there were many short seasons under this for including 1981, 1994, 2020.
Bottom line, both staffs are/were bad, but I don't expect much of a difference in overall performance.
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1 minute ago, T R U said:
This pitching staff is ass, last years was way better.
Not sure about that. Better staff now than post deadline. First 4 months had a lot of bad pitchers as well.
2024 Projections (Fan Graphs Depth Chart): 8.8 fWAR
2023 Actual: 10.0 fWAR
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Chris Getz and team have a lot of catching up to do. I hate Cleveland.
MLB 26 and Under Power Rankings
- 22 Baltimore 10 MLBH; 4 MLBP; 5 MiLH; 3 MiLP
- 21 Atlanta 10 MLBH; 8 MLBP; 0 MiLH; 3 MiLP
- 21 Seattle 8 MLBH; 10 MLBP; 2 MiLH; 1 MiLP
- 20 Arizona 9 MLBH; 6 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 2 MiLP
- 19 Cleveland 6 MLBH; 9 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 1 MiLP
- 19 Cincinnati 8 MLBH; 7 MLBP; 1 MiLH; 3 MiLP
- 18 Los Angeles N. L. 3 MLBH; 10 MLBP; 2 MiLH; 3 MiLP
- 18 Milwaukee 7 MLBH; 4 MLBP; 4 MiLH; 3 MiLP
- 17 San Diego 8 MLBH; 3 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 3 MiLP
- 17 Detroit 5 MLBH; 4 MLBP; 4 MiLH; 4 MiLP
- 16 Minnesota 6 MLBH; 5 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 2 MiLP
- 16 Boston 7 MLBH; 4 MLBP; 4 MiLH; 1 MiLP
- 16 Saint Louis 8 MLBH; 2 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 3 MiLP
- 16 New York A. L. 9 MLBH; 1 MLBP; 2 MiLH; 4 MiLP
- 16 Chicago N. L. 4 MLBH; 4 MLBP; 4 MiLH; 4 MiLP
- 15 Tamps Bay 5 MLBH; 5 MLBP; 4 MiLH; 1 MiLP
- 15 Texas 7 MLBH; 1 MLBP; 5 MiLH; 2 MiLP
- 15 Pittsburgh 5 MLBH; 3 MLBP; 2 MiLH; 5 MiLP
- 15 Washington 4 MLBH; 5 MLBP; 5 MiLH; 1 MiLP
- 15 Kansas City 8 MLBH; 6 MLBP; 1 MiLH; 0 MiLP
- 14 Miami 3 MLBH; 9 MLBP; 0 MiLH; 2 MiLP
- 14 Toronto 7 MLBH; 2 MLBP; 2 MiLH; 3 MiLP
- 13 Philadelphia 6 MLBH; 2 MLBP; 1 MiLH; 4 MiLP
- 13 San Francisco 5 MLBH; 0 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 2 MiLP
- 12 New York N. L. 5 MLBH; 1 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 3 MiLP
- 12 Chicago A. L. 6 MLBH; 1 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 2 MiLP
- 11 Houston 6 MLBH; 2 MLBP; 2 MiLH; 1 MiLP
- 10 Los Angeles A. L. 5 MLBH; 4 MLBP; 1 MiLH; 0 MiLP
- 10 Oakland 3 MLBH; 3 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 1 MiLP
- 10 Colorado 5 MLBH; 0 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 2 MiLP
Links: 1-5 6-10 11-15 16-20 21-25 26-30
American League Central:
5. Cleveland Guardians (total score: 19)
Young MLB hitters (6/10): 2B Andres Gimenez, OF Steven Kwan, C Bo Naylor, SS Brayan Rocchio, OF Estevan Florial, INF Deyvison De Los Santos, INF/OF Tyler Freeman, INF Gabriel Arias, OF Will Brennan
Young MLB pitchers (9/10): RHP Triston McKenzie, RHP Emmanuel Clase, RHP Tanner Bibee, LHP Logan Allen, RHP Gavin Williams, RHP Xzavion Curry, RHP Hunter Gaddis
Prospect hitters (3/5): 1B Kyle Manzardo, OF Chase DeLauter, INF Juan Brito, OF George Valera, INF Jhonkensy Noel, INF Angel Martinez, INF Jose Tena
Prospect pitchers (1/5): RHP Cade Smith, LHP Joey Cantillo, RHP Tanner Burns, LHP Will Dion, RHP Franco Aleman10. Detroit Tigers (total score: 17)
Young MLB hitters (5/10): OF Riley Greene, 1B Spencer Torkelson, OF Parker Meadows, OF Kerry Carpenter, OF Akil Baddoo
Young MLB pitchers (4/10): RHP Reese Olson, RHP Matt Manning, RHP Beau Brieske, LHP Joey Wentz
Prospect hitters (4/5): INF Jace Jung, 3B Justyn-Henry Malloy, C Dillon Dingler
Prospect pitchers (4/5): RHP Sawyer Gipson-Long, RHP Wilmer Flores, RHP Jackson Jobe, RHP Ty Madden, RHP Troy Melton11. Minnesota Twins (total score: 16)
Young MLB hitters (6/10): 3B Royce Lewis, 2B Eduoard Julien, 1B Alex Kiriloff, OF Matt Wallner
Young MLB pitchers (5/10): RHP Jhoan Duran, RHP Louie Varland
Prospect hitters (3/5): INF Brooks Lee, INF/OF Austin Martin, OF Emmanuel Rodriguez
Prospect pitchers (2/5): RHP Simeon Woods Richardson, RHP Matt Canterino, RHP David Festa, RHP Marco Raya20. Kansas City Royals (total score: 15)
Young MLB hitters (8/10): SS Bobby Witt Jr., 3B Maikel Garcia, 1B Vinnie Pasquantino, OF MJ Melendez, 2B Michael Massey, 1B Nick Pratto, OF Nelson Velazquez
Young MLB pitchers (6/10): LHP Cole Ragans, LHP Kris Bubic, RHP John McMillon
Prospect hitters (1/5): INF Nick Loftin, OF Tyler Gentry, 2B Peyton Wilson
Prospect pitchers (0/5): LHP Angel Zerpa, RHP Mason Barnett, LHP Anthony Veneziano26. Chicago White Sox (total score: 12)
Young MLB hitters (6/10): OF Luis Robert Jr., 1B Andrew Vaughn, OF Dominic Fletcher
Young MLB pitchers (1/10): LHP Garrett Crochet, RHP Deivi Garcia
Prospect hitters (3/5): SS Colson Montgomery, C Edgar Quero, 3B Bryan Ramos
Prospect pitchers (2/5): RHP Nick Nastrini, RHP Jordan Leasure, LHP Jake Eder, RHP Prelander Berroa -
3 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said:
Could be, but you can find similarly complimentary language about Pillar and Moose too. Pillar also had a whole podcast interview episode.
Which is why it was always silly for folks to get so worked up assuming that a guy was getting a roster spot and 400 ABs because the manager/GM/beat said some cliché thing about their intangibles in ST...but I digress.
Well, this is the first year of the new regime, so it is hard to tell what Getz would do plus Grifol's record last year of prioritizing veterans.
If they open versus Detroit with this roster give or take a guy or two, it is fine and they will have some OK, hopefully good / improving options (Colas or Sosa, maybe Popeye) before the next core group is considered late this year or early next year.
2024 Opening Day Roster
Starters (RF TBD):
C Maldonado; 1B Vaughan; 2B Lopez; 3B Moncada; SS DeJong; LF Benintendi; CF Robert Junior; DH Jimenez
Reserves C Stassi; INF Mendick; RF/OF Fletcher & Phillips; 1B/DH Sheets
Rotation: 1 Crochet; 2 Soroka; 3 Fedde; 4 Flexen; 5 Nastrini
Bullpen: CL Kopech; SU Brebbia; Leasure & Wilson; MR Banks; Hill; Swing: Garcia; Toussaint
Last Out: RP J. Chavez; B. Shaw; 2B/SS B. Shewmake
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I love it when a plan comes together.
2024 Opening Day Roster
Elite Eight Starters: C Maldonado; 1B Vaughan; 2B Lopez; 3B Moncada; SS DeJong; LF Benintendi; CF Robert Junior; DH Jimenez
Fab Five Reserves: C Stassi; INF Mendick; RF/OF Fletcher & Phillips; 1B/DH Sheets
Fab Five Rotation: 1 Crochet; 2 Soroka; 3 Fedde; 4 Flexen; 5 Nastrini
Elite Eight Bullpen: CL Kopech; SU Brebbia; Leasure & Wilson; MR Banks; Hill; Swing: Garcia; Toussaint
Last Out: RP J. Chavez; B. Shaw; 2B/SS B. Shewmake
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30 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said:
Moose doesn't surprise me at all, Pillar does a bit though.
Giving me more confidence in Getz thinking bigger picture.
Eventually would like to see Colas given another shot this year if ready as starting RF and Fletcher as a fourth OF if he can produce enough to stay up on the 26 man roster.
Believe they are going with Brett Phillips based on Garfien’s tweets today (primarily the first one).
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3 hours ago, caulfield12 said:
Giving them time to move all their stuff and get settled wherever they're headed.
Group photo: Moustakas, Chavez, Maldonado and Shaw.
2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:He’ll need to improve his TWTW, as the Sox have a .022 higher winning percentage without Luis than with him.
Luis Robert Junior TWTW Score (2020-2023) -13:
- +5 2020 (Si 33-26 +7 vs. No 3-1 +2)
- -8 2021 (Si 38-30 +8 vs. No 55-39 +16)
- +8 2022 (Si 51-47 +4 vs. No 30-34 -4)
- -18 2023 (Si 58-87 -29 vs. No 3-14 -11)
White Sox with Luis Robert Junior: 180-190 .486
White Sox without Luis Robert Junior: 91-88 .508
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19 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:
These guys are all on the train competing and bunting, and all that good stuff. Playing for their careers. You have so many great players, it's hard to make a decision.
It's possible not a single one of the fourteen players listed below could even be the last man on a competitive White Sox team. That said, it makes no sense the next two years to go with retirees they are likely to roster over the younger players which may possibly be worth something in a couple of years.
FanGraph 2024 Depth Chart Projections
OPS Player fWAR (Projected Games Played)
- .720 Gavin Sheets 0.1 (53 Games)
- .698 Oscar Colas 0.0 (10 Games)
- .691 Kevin Pillar 0.2 (44 Games)
- .676 Lenyn Sosa 0.3 (36 Games)
- .671 Dominic Fletcher 0.4 (97 Games)
- .669 Mike Moustakas -0.1 (16 Games)
- .667 Zach DeLoach 0.0 (8 Games)
- .659 Paul DeJong 0.7 (76 Games)
- .648 Max Stassi 0.9 (65 Games)
- .647 Jose Rodriguez 0.1 (26 Games)
- .632 Braden Shewmake 0.2 (34 Games)
- .632 Nicky Lopez 0.7 (86 Games)
- .615 Korey Lee 0.0 (29 Games)
- .582 Martin Maldonado -0.6 (68 Games)
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16 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:
Just because you're an idiot Pedro and don't know a good player from a horse's ass, doesn't mean you boss put together a good squad...
Not a Pedro fan, but what is he supposed to say? Doesn’t make sense to rip your boss or players publicly.
Perhaps it’s his way to criticize the shitty veterans Getz is keeping over guys who actually performed in camp. Same as Tony taking shots at Kimbrel not being able to handle the 8th inning.
Gets doesn’t say bupkis about much of anything.
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Prelander Berroa will start the season in Charlotte. Thankfully, it appears he is over his shoulder issue.
New Food Items 2024
in Pale Hose Talk
Posted
These tickets are available for purchase for season ticket holders,
I remember seeing them on stubhub, with a note you also need a regular game ticket to enter the stadium, but I don't see any listed so far for the couple of games I checked. They weren't listed with expensive on stubhub for most games, IIRC $10-$15 per ticket. Hopefully they didn't change the policy to allow resale.
I never was inside the Stadium Club, but would be cool to check it out. I like the Club Level especially with sketchy weather, being able to sit out a rain delay in warmth. Also like viewing the game from that level around the infield, vs. the upper deck where I won't go anymore. You can typically find decent to great prices for club seats for weekday day games and weeknight (M-Th) games in April, May and September.