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25 minutes ago, GreenSox said:
I'm sure Rick will be scouring the bullpens of the potential targets.
Of course, he should have his scouts dispatched readying for this. But that's too much work.
Jerry is too broke to pay for scouts.
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6 minutes ago, Soxfest said:
Eloy and Moncada for being in their 20’s are hurt more as a pair than any 2 players I have seen in my life.
You have a point with Eloy, but Robert and Anderson are less dependable yet seem to always avoid scrutiny.
Games Played since Robert's call up:
- 309 Yoan Moncada (27)
- 266 Tim Anderson (29)
- 254 Luis Robert Junior (25)
- 194 Eloy Jimenez (26)
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Clevinger takes the loss and falls to 2-3.
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I cheer for the Sox every four out of five games. I’m not listening tonight nor have I any other of his starts. I can’t stand the fact this piece of s%*# is still on the team.
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7 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said:
Elvis’ OPS has skyrocketed to .555! Can he maintain it above the Bradley line? Time will tell, because now he’s certainly playing all 162 after his breakout performance last night!
2022 Grandal .570
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RIP Big Baby. 😭
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3 hours ago, DoUEvenShift said:
Clevinger vs. Lodolo
Lineups TBD
Lets get another series win and don't stop there!
Lodolo's walkup music if pitchers still hit.
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On 4/29/2023 at 5:49 PM, caulfield12 said:
More A's lowlights
No way those signs would last for more than. a couple of minutes at G-Rate.
If you think that’s a lowlight, this might be rock bottom.
Note: A’s announcer said N-word on video of live broadcast describing his wonderful visit to the Negro League Museum. Viewer discretion is advised.
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Hope this thread has sparked a turnaround for Elvis. His 3 run home run was awesome!
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Thankfully Vaughn was alert on that play.
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David Wells enters the thread.
The only White Sox player I ever booed, when I thought he was drunk puking from our far upper deck seats and pulled in the first inning. Sox ended up coming back and beating the Cubs.
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They should start Eloy in RF and Dylan Cease at DH tonight
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On 4/25/2023 at 2:06 PM, Eminor3rd said:
What it comes down to is that it just is NOT that difficult to draft and develop a 2WAR corner outfielder. Free agency is a fine way to improve your roster, but in terms of dollars, it’s by far the most inefficient method available to teams.
The $/WAR number is a curve with a bump in the middle; there is surplus value to be found on both tails: cheap bounceback candidates on the low end and superstars on the high end. You never want to be in a position where you need to buy at the middle of that curve if you can avoid. Bizarrely, that seems to be the White Sox actual plan. Or at least they seems to be pretending that those players in the middle actually belong on the high tail.
100%. The problem is they can only win FAs other teams don't want because the players are overpriced and on their last deal. Liam was the exception, primarily for a personal relationship with Tony.
The White Sox have drafted and fielded exactly ZERO 2+ bWAR corner outfielders in the Jerry "we have 29 dumb competitors" Reinsdorf 42 year era.
Let's be generous and include every internally developed White Sox player and any season regardless of position and see what the Sox have done.
25 Draft acquisitions with one or more 2+ bWAR White Sox Seasons in the Jerry Reinsdorf Era (1981-2022):
Primary White Sox 2+ bWAR Position:
- (1) Catcher (Ron Karkovice).
- (1) First Baseman (Frank Thomas).
- (1) Second Baseman (Ray Durham).
- (1) Shortstop (Tim Anderson).
- (3) Third Basemen (Gordon Beckham; Joe Crede; Robin Ventura).
- (3) Centerfielders (Mike Cameron; Aaron Rowand; Kenny Williams).
- (10) Starting Pitchers (Carlos Rodon; Chris Sale; Hector Santiago; Mike Sirotka; Jim Parque; Mark Buehrle; Jack McDowell; Alex Fernandez; Jason Bere; James Baldwin)
- (5) Relief Pitchers (Aaron Bummer; Nate Jones; Jake Petricka; Scott Radinsky; Bobby Thigpen).
Rick Hahn (2013-Jerry's Death)
- (5) SS Tim Anderson 2013 R1: 2016 2.4; 2018 3.7; 2019 4.2; 2020 2.3; 2021 4.7.
- (2) SP Carlos Rodon 2014 R1: 2018 2.0; 2021 5.1.
- (1) RP Aaron Bummer 2014 R19: 2019 2.8.
Kenny Williams (2001-2012)
- (1) 3B Gordon Beckham 2008 R1: 2009 2.1.
- (6) RP/SP* Chris Sale 2010 R1: 2011 2.4; 2012* 5.7; 2013* 6.5; 2014* 6.1; 2015* 3.4; 2016* 4.9.
- (2) RP Nate Jones 2007 R5: 2012 2.5; 2016 2.3.
- (1) SP Hector Santiago 2006 R30: 2013 2.7.
- (1) RP Jake Petricka 2010 R2: 2014 2.0.
Ron Schueler (1990-2000)
- (1) CF Mike Cameron 1991 R18: 1997 4.4.
- (2) SP Mike Sirotka 1993 R15: 1999 4.5; 2000 4.0.
- (1) SP Jim Parque 1997 R1: 2000 2.9
- (11) SP Mark Buehrle 1998 R38: 2001 6.0; 2002 5.0; 2003 2.5; 2004 4.2; 2005 4.8; 2006 2.3; 2007 6.1; 2008 4.4; 2009 5.3; 2010 3.8; 2011 3.8.
- (3) 3B Joe Crede 1996 R5: 2003 2.3; 2006 4.8; 2008 2.4.
- (2) CF Aaron Rowand 1998 R1: 2004 5.7; 2005 3.7.
Larry Himes (1987-1990)
- (13) 1B/DH* Frank Thomas 1989 R1: 1990 2.3; 1991* 7.0; 1992 7.0; 1993 6.2; 1994 6.4; 1995 5.3; 1996 5.6; 1997 7.3; 1998* 3.5; 1999* 2.3; 2000* 6.0; 2003* 4.3 2004* 2.8.
- (9) 3B Robin Ventura 1988 R1: 1990 2.4; 1991 5.3; 1992 6.0; 1993 5.3; 1994 3.0; 1995 4.7; 1996 4.8; 1997 2.1; 1998 5.8.
- (5) SP Jack McDowell 1987 R1: 1991 4.3; 1992 5.3; 1993 4.4; 1994 3.8; 1995 4.0.
- (4) SP Alex Fernandez 1990 R1: 1993 5.4; 1994 3.0; 1995 3.8; 1996 6.4.
- (2) SP Jason Bere 1990 R36: 1993 2.6; 1994 2.8.
- (6) 2B Ray Durham 1990 R5: 1996 3.1; 1998 4.4; 1999 2.5; 2000 3.1; 2001 4.3; 2002 3.4.
- (3) SP James Baldwin 1990 R4: 1996 2.5; 1999 2.4; 2000 2.8
Ken "Hawk" Harrelson (1986)
- (1) RP Scott Radinsky 1986 R3: 1991 2.2.
Roland Hemond (1981-1985)
- (2) RP Bobby Thigpen 1985 R4: 1987 2.2; 1990 3.5.
- (1) CF Kenny Williams 1982 R3: 1989 2.1.
- (3) C Ron Karkovice 1982 R1: 1990 2.0; 1992 2.1; 1993 3.2.
Players inherited from Veeck / Hemond (1976-1980):
- (8) RF/DH* Harold Baines 1977 R1: 1981 2.2; 1982 3.4; 1983 2.2; 1984 4.3; 1985 2.4; 1986 2.9; 1989* 3.4; 1996* 2.8.
- (3) SP Britt Burns 1978 R3: 1981 3.9; 1983 2.1; 1985 4.2.
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4 minutes ago, joejoesox said:
Not sure how to find this particular statistic but I wonder what the WPCT is of home teams winning in extra innings since the ghost runner rule was put into place
Its gotta be pretty high
The Road Team had the advantage for the first two seasons based on the link I found.
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21 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:
Colume (sic) three years later is just ridiculous.
Well, at least he didn't Colome in January for $18M / 3 years.
Baby steps.
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1 hour ago, The Kids Can Play said:
Well done and accurate analysis sadly!
This is such a sad commentary on how f*#ked up Hahn has botched the rebuild, the farm system and this garbage major league roster.
Btw, I would add Grifol, Katz and all the coaches who shouldn't be in this organization.
Good chance Grifol and the others won't pan out well, but it's only been 5 weeks and they have been given literal s%*# to work with across several spots on the 26.
Pitching:
- Let Zavala work with Giolito and Kopech and Grandal catch the other three. Every-time.
- Let Cease call his game, not sure what the hell happened yesterday.
- Liam (9), Santos (8), Middleton/Lambert/Graveman (6-7). Lopez (long), Bummer (LH), Colome or Banks (Blowout).
June Hitting: (Career Platoon OPS)
RHS: SS TA (.721); LF AB (.802); CF LR (.734); RF EJ (.839); 3B YM (.930); 1B AV (.706); DH JB (.731); Catcher; 2B EA (.683)
LHS: SS TA (.870); LF AB (.707); CF LR (1.013); RF EJ (.769); 1B AV (.831); 3B YM (.667); DH JB (1.007); Catcher; 2B EA (.723)
Bench: C SV; 2B Z. Remillard; RF/LF A. Haseley; CF/OF B. Hamilton.
AAA: Sheets & Peralta. DFA: Alberto, Colome if bad a few more low leverage appearances.
Backups: 1B JB; 2B ZR SS EA (ZR plays 2B); 3B JB; RF AH/BH; CF BH/AH; LF AH/BH.
Colas recovers and returns = Haseley Down.
#1 Priority Acquire legitimate 2B who can field well and hit at least adequate, Elvis to reserve role, Remillard down.
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Guys who shouldn't be starters:
- Elvis Andrus
- Gavin Sheets
Guys who shouldn't be up at this point:
- Oscar Colas
- Lenyn Sosa
Guys who shouldn't be in the organization:
- Hanser Alberto
- Darryl Boston
- Mike Clevinger
- Alex Colome
- Romy Gonzalez
- Rick Hahn
- Sammy Peralta
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Just now, wegner said:
Wasn't that pretty much a typical late inning for Colome? He constantly did a high wire act....just leave him in there and see if he could get out of it instead of bringing in a guy on what I think was his major league debut. Seems pretty damn stupid.
Peralta should have either started the inning or Colome finished it.
At this point they just want the game over, just like TB pitched to Vaughn just to get out of Dodge.
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2 minutes ago, RudyLawRules said:
I feel bad for this guy. Doesn't deserve to have his bad pitching put in to a MLB game. Baseball Reference will have him with a permanent 8.70 Era for the rest of his life. Sad.
It's 27.00 if he gets this guy out.
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Pedro needs to make a visit to Hahn's office before heading to Cincinnati.
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1 minute ago, JoshPR said:
So grifol bringing in the rookie now? Lol
He's the last available reliever, next will be perhaps Kopech if he didn't already throw on the side.
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No sure why they didn't try Peralta this inning, see what he has.
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It's a problem the White Sox do not have a starting 2B or RF, the same as every season, but these players below are the reason the Sox suck ass more than the typical Hahn team in 2023.
Salaries include buyouts, Player and 2023 bWAR
$96.0M 0.5 net bWAR
Robert (1.4 bWAR) and Lucas (1.2) are the only two solid contributors to start this season.