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QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 4, 2015 -> 04:15 PM) He's been nasty most of the time, unfortunately he's given up a few untimely bombs. He's like Dotel.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 4, 2015 -> 03:50 PM) One game you leave in Shark too long. Boom, bye 4-0 lead. Next time you bring in a reliever ... boom, tie game. Can't win for losing. Some folks on this board over-valued Putnam and Petricka that is for sure. They are just bodies. Sometimes they are OK; most of the time their pitches scream "hit me." They just brought the wrong guy in. Putman gives up HRs but he gets Ks too...use him in a real jam - runner on 3rd less than 2 outs. They also waste a spot with Carroll instead of trying some guys from AAA and see if they can become a real contributor. I wanted Ventura to pull Shark after the 7th.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 4, 2015 -> 03:40 PM) Why was that not Robertson? Putnam has given up too many homers Good question. But we know the answer - it wasn't the 9th.

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Jul 4, 2015 -> 03:46 PM) Haha this bullpen still remains a joke. With the exception of 2 maybe 3 pitchers it is an utter joke. Even with how bad this bullpen is, the offense is even worse. Sox should still be up 3-4 right now. RV made the right call at the tight time he just does not have the player personnel to make the right moves all the time. Personally I would have gone with the 4 out save opportunity ( that would probably have back fired as well though). It's not a bad pen. They need to use it more, really. Sox have put a ton of miles on these starters. The problem is 10 hits and only 2 runs.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 4, 2015 -> 09:27 AM) But from Pitts point of view they are likely looking to trade from their outfield depth which is rather deep considering they just sent Tabata and his contract to AAA. Reese is a heck of a prospect but he's a catcher at A+ and only 20 years old so he's likely quite a ways off from being MLB ready which does not really help the Sox much. Diaz could step into the majors right now as a good defensive oriented backup with a cannon for an arm and still just 24 years old so there is still a chance he could become an every day catcher in time. If Pitt needs a second player the Sox could offer a reliever in the deal since thats one area the Sox have an excess of. As far as 3B Pitt does not have anything to offer that could help the Sox in the short term. They have Wyatt Mathisen but he doesn't grade out any better than what the Sox have in Delmonico. I actually prefer Delmonico over Mathisen. So as far as trading with Pitt goes its about outfielders and catchers. I'll take an outfielder who can hit and play D and a good catching prospect. I'll take 2 such OFs instead. That's fine. They aren't in a position to use this to plug a hole, if it means passing on superior talent.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 4, 2015 -> 11:15 AM) Hanley Ramirez, Josh Reddick and Jose Iglesias were pretty good ones they traded for pitching. Hopefully somone in White Sox system has seen their AAA up close and can see who is ML ready. I fear Bradley will be an untouchable by September so it may be too late if Q is involved in a Boston deal. Swihart DL is probably to hold him for 2 weeks till they see what direction they are going with 4 catchers. He will head back to AAA unless they trade a catcher.Rizzo, too. But that was then. They were playing for a WS when they let Iglesias go (and they didn't think he'd hit). They just sent Bradley down after for the 2nd time this season after yet another failed effort. Hit AAA, fail in majors, is not unusual. His value is pretty low. Swihart is supposed to be very good defensively - but his AAA hitting stats were not overly compelling; and neither are his Major League stats - very well get a guy who hits like Flowers but can play D. Then you have the 2 Cubans. That's it for top position prospects. I don't see them as a match for Q who nets, if not an elite prospect (which I doubt we'd get), several really good ones. Astros and other teams have more interesting ones, imo. I think we need young hitters, regardless of position. And when teams like the Cubs and Astros are starting marginal 5th guys like Richard and Straily, we might get a lot more than I would expect.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 4, 2015 -> 10:58 AM) http://sportsmockery.com/2015/07/a-yasiel-...nd-the-dodgers/ While I wouldn't be opposed to us grabbing Puig, the proposed deal is very ridiculous of Shark, Q and prospects. Now if they wanted to just get rid of him and take half a season of Shark? I think i'd do it. No

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 3, 2015 -> 08:16 PM) He'd be the second most valuable position player on the Sox, I'll take him. On potential, yes. But on actual performance....as Dick said, he'd fit right in on the southside.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 3, 2015 -> 12:28 PM) Boston will always be looking to trade prospects. Once Vazquez comes back they have 3 catchers on their ML roster. Media seems to think Swihart will be the one to go. Cecchini is boxed out w Sandoval but he is having a bad year at AAA. I agree Bradley is worth a flyer as he was tearing up AAA before being recalled. They are willing to trade their bad ones. Bradley is a flier, and only that. He's struggled badly in both Major League stints. Cecchini isn't just boxed in - he's simply not a top prospect anymore....signing Sadoval suggested that even without Cecchini's bad year this year. Swithart's on the DL. Redsox prospects are generally overhyped...hard to separate the quality rising prospects from foolsgold. I like the way we did it last time...do our own scouting and find the throw ins in A ball before the hype machine has hit, and hope. Henry Owens is a pitcher, so they wouldn't trade him if he's top prospect, which he may not be as he seems to have languished. Marrero is hitting.650 OPS in AAA....he hit .545 there last year. I'm sure they have some, but they don't look as replete as commonly suggested.

Most of these catcher prospects, if they succeed, will end up being like these catchers we're always dissatisfied with. Rather see some positions solidified that are easier to solidify. Pentecost is a mile away from the majors, injured. Pass

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 10:30 PM) Fault is a weird word to use. I mean we are in the middle of a short retooling process. We had a shot on paper this year but it didn't work out. Clearly we aren't ready at 2b 3b or C yet. So what? Why does somebody have to PAY FOR THIS? Why does a career have to end because of this. Insanity. Stay the course boys, jerksticks loves ya! That's the thing - you can live with a couple of holes, esp. at catcher. Those aren't the only holes. What retooling did they do that will help this team? They spent a lot of resources and still have a hole in LF and, frankly, RF (although I'm optimistic). They probably would have needed to sign a FA to fill LF, but Melky was questionable and they could have nuanced some using platoons or waited a year when better options are available. They have a hole at Shortstop (a big squandered opportunity to sell high on Alexei) They spent $6 mill on UTILITY INFIELDERS, when they still had holes. They sent away 4 young players for 1 year of a starter...that's not a move to do when you are retooling. Opinions vary on those 4 young players, but 2 of them are producing a lot better than their Sox counterparts. They didn't put themselves in a huge financial hole like the Padres did. But it certainly wasn't a particularly effective year of retooling either.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 10:12 PM) That was not the point of the hack, the point of the hack was to see if the Astros stole any sensitive materials from the Cardinals So why where they so paranoid about that? Guys switch organizations all the time for promotions and other reasons. you never see this level of paranoia.

Also if they wanted cost-controlled pitchers, why in the world would they sign Porcello to a 100Million deal? I guess you could say it's cost controlled - just a high cost. Red Sox zig-zagged....that usually ends up in disaster. Sox have done that more than a few times. I doubt Red Sox want to deal any real prospects. They want cost controlled pitchers in return for some of their veterans and declining prospects like Cecchini and Bradley Jr (he's worth a flyer). I read that even their offers for Hamels when they were still in it consisted of mainly Major League guys. Buckholz is a good trade piece for them; they have little after that except for the bullpen.

QUOTE (OilCan @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 10:25 PM) Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 2h2 hours ago All is well with Erik Johnson. #WhiteSox are skipping him, giving him extra rest. 4 retweets 6 favorites Reply Retweet4 Favorite6 More Smart move. Sox will likely need him in the rotation for the last 2 months of the season; no use burning him out in Charlotte.

No need to change now. Make a reasoned decision at the end of the season. The media likes Black, but I don't know...he seems to have managed a similarly underachieving team, although the front office may be at fault. It also seems to me that if Ventura goes, Cooper has to go.

I like Martinez. Know nothing about the prospect. Grichuk seems fluke to me ....or maybe one of those Alan Craig types that the Cardinals can dress up for a few years before they fall off the cliff. Not near enough.

it seems to me that all they have done is skip Rodon. Makes sense. LOL Lindstrom...hopefully this settles any notion of him returning to the ML team. I'd rather Carroll (not that I think Carroll's a major league pitcher).

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 07:17 PM) Swihart, Cecchini, Rodriguez Though just the first two would be equally dope. Cecchini is in sharp decline the last 2 years. He has marginal value. Rodriguez is the type of player they are trying to acquire. Bradley Jr failed in his ML try - he's a throw in. Too much premium and too much risk for catchers..can't trade Q for essentially 1 catching prospect. I'd rather 2 top outfielders. Don't really trust Boston prospects that have already been hyped - some turn out good, but most don't.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 09:49 AM) You're all clamoring to fire RV because you want someone to blame, period. You have NOTHING to suggest that he's responsible for the failure of the team. You could say the exact same thing every time a professional coach or manager is fired. Result matter.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 09:29 AM) They aren't this year. They will be again next year and the year after. They're pretty clearly going over their pool this year, so does that add a 3rd year of probation?

I see the Cubs have signed 5 of the to 30, 3 of whom for less than $1.5 million. Where do they get all of this pool money? I thought they were on probation anyway and couldn't sign.

Rangers signed #3 guy for 2.1 mill. I assume this all lines up?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 12:59 AM) http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/pos.../true/minpa/150 Just to make sure we don't get overly excited about Tyler's recent power binge. That link shows me that as meh as Flowers is, he's basically equal to these catchers for which people want to load the wagon with prospects to obtain (just looking at offense; I distrust the defensive metrics).

The other issue that Quintana would become the Royals' ace. So in that sense, one might demand and ace's price. Royals have a horrible rotation. Their pen is great, but might succumb to the pressure and over-work. Wouldn't surprise me if the Twins take this division. Meanwhile, Royals look like a team to do business with.

It's been years since Hahn/Williams made a real plus trade. That's hurt the Sox as well as the poor drafting and development. Salary dump nothing - Peavy was a prime trade chip. Too early to really judge Garcia (he had no approach when they got him - that shouldn't be a surprise - just hope he's one of those who can overcome a bad approach). But of the 3 A ball players, 1 looks good, 1 could be a bullpen pitcher in a year or so and if the other could hit a lick..... The Sox tend to get fixated on that one player and one prospect. Maybe it's better to take a bundle of good ones and the odds are 1 will turn into a player (and, no, good ones does not mean AAAA and utility infielders like Williams did in Swisher 2). I tell you who a salary dump was, or at least should have been - the first E Jackson trade. Yet somehow Williams managed to send our top 2 pitching prospects for that guy with his high salary and 5+ ERA. And it looks like the Shark trade shows, again, poor evaluation skills by the Sox on their own players.