EvilMonkey

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 12:34 PM) The building where I work is a gun free zone. I might have to tell my boss I cannot work under these conditions. The building is a killing zone. i would hope they have some sort of security for you.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 12:08 PM) Some proposed legislation might not have a real impact, but doing absolutely nothing will definitively have no impact. If it won't have a real impact, why do it? Just doing something for the sake of doing something is crap and usually ends up making things worse for everyone else. You are then just virtue signalling.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 11:11 AM) You insulted Quin's intelligence and claimed that constitutional scholars much smarter than him have decided this issue. You even provided a link! 1) The link was to a crank website 2) The quote is from some random guy with no scholarly background on the constitution 3) The language of the second amendment and really the entire Constitution is far from settled among actual, legitimate Constitutional scholars and court members. I'm not sure what I'm even supposed to be looking for on Google, or why your "lazy ass" can't support your own arguments. Poor choice for a first link. I was rushed and should have looked at that one more. His points on there are still good ones. Oh wait, I forgot. You don't believe anyone who isn't credentialed in a way that you agree with. My bad.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 11:08 AM) The easy way out would just be pointing to Scalia's opinion in Heller. No need to site some weird website that quotes a random dude with no credentials and claim he's some sort of super smart Consitutional scholar. Looks like you did look it up then. Bravo for you.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 11:04 AM) I did. He appears to be (or was, back in the 1990's) associated with the Cognitive Studies Department at UW-Milwaukee. His PhD seems to be about cognitive issues, not anything to do with Constitutional analysis or law in general. What do you think his credentials actually are? Why is this site to be trusted as a definitive source? Who is Brian T. Halonen and why does he have the final say on what "well-regulated militia" means? I meant the meaning. That was just the first link I found. I am sure with your Googlefu you can find it. Capitalism calls.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 10:58 AM) The current background check system is crap, and the forms are rarely enforced and sent in at gun shows. I've had a guy literally stand there and tell me it doesnt matter. The electronic auditing and records from these sales are an area where there is tons of room for improvement. private sales are something that for sure should be stopped or augmented. At the end of the day, the RIGHT people should be able to own and operate a gun for personal defense or sport AFTER they pass a check, instruction, and certification IMO. They can tell you that, but ATF finds out they can lose their license. Only problem with your last statement is who decides who the 'right people' are? In NYC it is very hard to get a gun permit. Unless you are a 'right person' with lots of money and a lawyer that knows whos palms to grease. In states that are a 'May Issue' for concealed carry, the local law enforcement official gets final say. If he doesn't like your politics, your long hair or the color of your skin, he can reject you and not have to give you a reason.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) This guy does not appear to be a constitutional scholar. Look it up, lazyass.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 10:52 AM) I don't think it's the guns that are illegal. I think it's something about the person that changed. Like if they got a domestic violence conviction after they purchased a gun, they are no longer legally allowed to own one. They had that one as well, I think. However they put such a low value on it that they only assigned a few people to be the ones removing them, resulting in a huge backlog.

QUOTE (Quin @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 10:47 AM) So, let's ignored the "well regulated" part of the second amendment. Desire to own gun >>> the actual second amendment Constitutional scholars way smarter than you have already tackled that so yo get no response from me. http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 10:43 AM) You also cant get a license without education, testing and certification. Buying a gun is as easy as walking into a walmart in some places, or even just a gun show. And if they make my shotgun or handgun illegal, I would be ok with a buy back, but not confiscation. You are forgetting the background check you need to purchase the gun. Form 4473 needs to be filled out and sent in to get your background check, even at Walmart and gun shows. The ONLY way you can get one legally without it is a private sale. You want to make an argument for that, you might have something. However as usual, every attempt at this so far have over-reached. In Seattle they tried to enact something like that but they worded it so broadly that a 'transfer' could be me handing you my new gun to check out or try a few shots while at the range.

QUOTE (Quin @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 10:41 AM) So you support people illegally owning guns? I don't support banning guns for stupid reasons.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 10:34 AM) So what did the guy in the church do? Seems he didn't know what anyone had and he went in guns blazing at every target. Gun free zone, go figure.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 10:37 AM) WHy wouldn't we want illegal guns confiscated? I want people owning guns who should own guns. It should be just as hard to get a gun than to get a driver's license if not harder. An electronic records system would be the absolute minimal action taken by the government. But they weren't 'illegal' when they were purchased, they just changed the law to make them illegal. You ban guns, now they are illegal. Go round em up! Last I heard you can't get a gun with a domestic violence conviction, but you can still drive. You can even drive with a DUI on your record.

QUOTE (Quin @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 10:15 AM) That's the weakest argument against having a registry I've ever seen if you think that a registry won't lead to some sort of confiscation you are mistaken. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/c..._n_3117238.html The California state legislature passed a bill Thursday approving $24 million to expedite the confiscation of the estimated 40,000 handguns and assault weapons illegally owned by Californians.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 10:22 AM) Hasn't one of the big arguments the NRA has used is people won't mess with you if they know you are packing? The safest place to be is somewhere everyone is armed? Why wouldn't you want them to know your entire stash? They would never bother you. Not quite. if a robber looks at 5 people and knows that 3 of them are armed, he might think twice about robbing ANY of them. if he looks at them and knows which 3 are armed, he can either go for the soft targets or just go guns blazing at the hard targets.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 09:57 AM) Nice joke, next complement the shooter who murdered over two dozen people on his trigger discipline! Boy he sure had great two-handed control of his gun as he shot that 18-month old! LOL! Democrats. Don't. Control. Congress. I don't know why you keep bringing up Democrats. They don't have power. Republicans do. If they wanted to do something, literally anything, they could do it entirely without Democratic votes. What the Democrats propose isn't relevant except as a weak deflection from "nothing will ever work or could ever work." You love guns and you're willing to accept dozens of people murdered in mass shootings. That's fine, just be honest about it. You don't want any additional gun control. And when they DID control congress, what did we get? Not a damn thing. And yes, I love guns. Ban bump stocks all you want. I don't care, the NRA even doesn't care. They are stupid and unreliable. You want gun control? Start by enforcing the laws on the books. Straw purchasing is a very big thing, and is rarely prosecuted for some reason. it would seem like a slam dunk for DA's, but maybe they think it is a waste of time? You will hear stories about one or two gun shops int he suburbs where a lot of 'chicago' gun s come from. The stores have been repeatedly investigated and yet are still open. ATF is notorious for fining and even closing down stores for minor paperwork problems, yet these stores are still here. That means there has to be a ton of straw purchasing going on. Looks like a good place to start. Earlier someone complained that there weren't any electronic records kept. You know damn well that those would be used and abused by people with an agenda if there were to exist. You have proof of that in NYC where someone got a hold of a gun registry in NY and published it for all to see. it's nobody's business what i have unless I feel like telling them.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 09:50 AM) Feinstein's bill is irrelevant to whether Republicans who, again, control Congress and the White House, want to actually do something about gun control. Gun control means using 2 hands. Do you want them to 'do something' or 'do something that will work'. because all I ever see from Democrats is crap that won't work. but hey, they did 'something'.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 09:44 AM) Okay, nothing stopped Republicans from crafting and introducing their own bill, especially since they actually control Congress. edit: and Feintstein's bill didn't go to the floor for a vote because, again, Republicans control the Senate. it didn't go to the floor because of the language. “It shall be unlawful for any person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a trigger crank, a bump-fire device or any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machine gun,” the bill states. That bolded part is what kills it. You replace a trigger or a spring and the gun fires a half second faster, you now violated a law. Springs break and get replaced all the time. Some people need a lighter trigger pull, but in theory that makes the gun shoot faster, so off to jail for you! yeah, that's common sense alright.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 09:44 AM) Okay, nothing stopped Republicans from crafting and introducing their own bill, especially since they actually control Congress. edit: and Feintstein's bill didn't go to the floor for a vote because, again, Republicans control the Senate. http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/05/politics/pau...trol/index.html

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 09:40 AM) You do realize that the Democrats can't bring a bill to the floor since your party controls both houses of Congress right? The good news is that Slidefire has completed dealing with the backlog of orders they received after their spectacular marketing successes in Vegas, so now there are tens of thousands more of those around. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-feinste...ory?id=50276506

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) If someone named Abdul Zaire-Aziz shot up a church, but came here when he was 2 years old, 25 years ago, the reaction would be different than thoughts and prayer, let's not make this political. . The fact that this guy had access to weapons that allowed him to do what he did is a gigantic issue that will be ignored because of him being American and white. Just the price you pay when shooting s*** is fun. And that reply had absolutely not one f***ing thing to do with bump stocks that I talked about.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 09:58 AM) Greg, I think a lot of the frustration on the left was all those condolences and prayers from the likes of Paul Ryan for the victims...well, they were all literally in church, worshipping and praising God...how hollow does that sound? And yet not a single proposal is being considered on the part of the GOP to address the problem. If you’re unwilling to improve the background checks system, let’s at least attempt to improve our mental/psychological health system in America instead of cutting funding while giving the rich and corporations an unnecessary tax break. GIGO. The system works fine, it is the human component that failed. And just what 'proposal' do you want them to pass that would have made a difference? i agree that mental health needs to be addressed. it has been that way for a while, not just some oversight that happens to be a problem for any one party.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 10:05 AM) caulfield I think a lot of the frustration comes from the representatives taking money from the NRA only offer thoughts and prayers instead of any reformative action to try to prevent these things from happening. IIRC Ryan has taken upwards of $170,000 and Cruz has taken over $300,000. Hollow indeed Remember a month ago when everyone was like "THESE BUMP STOCKS ARE CRAZY!". Yea, well, nobody did anything about it and actually made sure they will stay available. Nobody did anything about about it because as usual Democratic politicians tried to over reach. Instead of just banning bump stocks they crafted their legislation so broadly that merely replacing a trigger spring would be a violation.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jun 21, 2017 -> 12:17 PM) FBI-documented hate crimes against Muslims 2000: 28 2001: 481 of the 481, 296 were for 'intimidation', which can range from physical threats to a menacing look or presence. Most of the menacing complaints are self reported and did not result in an arrest. So it could be people making s*** up. Wouldn't be the first time it happened.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 21, 2017 -> 11:56 AM) FBI says the gunman acted alone and didn't have a specific Congressman he was targeting. https://apnews.com/82d6a333da66401aaa164485...p;utm_medium=AP "Hodgkinson had a piece of paper with the names of six members of Congress written on it, Slater said, but the note lacked any further context and there was no evidence from his computer, phone or other belongings that indicated he planned to target those official" maybe he just wanted to be penpals?