GreatScott82

If you don't want to spend market value on premium free agents, then you sure as hell better be good at draft and development. The Sox are just brutal at developing from within. This has been the biggest problem over the years. Even teams who do not undergo full on rebuilds still bring up prospects to perform for their MLB clubs. Hahn has done a nice job bringing in some high level prospects, but the development aspect is the killer. Also, having an owner to fully commit to NOT spending market value will hinder any chance at accelerating this process. KW and Hahn will continue to take daggers for Uncle Jerry, but we all know he is the problem. Also, KW and Hahn have done a horrible job bringing in free agents as well. So not only has the prospect development be poor, but pro scouting has been poor. Where is the accountability here? None. We are forced to let these same guys who dug this horrible organizational hole be the ones in charge of rebuilding a team? For me, this is rock bottom as a fan.Let's not forget one of KW or Hahn lied to us after Machado signed with SD. One guy told us that money wouldn't be a hindrance when the time came for acquiring premium free agent talent. Another guys said "we just couldn't go to that $300 million level" Hmmm? Are we stupid? The trust level is completely shot. They need to do something bold very soon to earn our trust back, because it's gone right now. And we know nobody will be getting fired. Most organizations would have made changes to the front office a long time ago. Yes, Eloy will likely be good. And there is hope for guys like Madrigal, Rutherford, Gonzalez, and Robert, but there are no guarantees. And the track record has indicated that this rebuild will likely fail- due to the three guys who run this team.

It's not fun seeing Tim Anderson's low OBP. The reality of the situation is, that's really bad. His defensive metrics are on the rise, but he needs to improve this area of his game or he will simply not pan out.

For the love of God, can KW just pull a Ventura and fire himself? It’s the only way incompetent people leave this irrelevant franchise. 😡

Are you kidding me? The best thing that can happen to this dormant organization is for JR to sell the team. The Bulls and White Sox both haven't been relevant for about a decade now. JR doesn't want to outbid other teams on superstars and is completely out of touch with the modernization of baseball. It is time for the old man to give it up and let a new ownership group take over. I read an article from 2013 stating that once JR dies, he wants his family to sell the White Sox and keep the Bulls. JR will never fire KW or Hahn (who clearly are not on the same page) their mixed messages after the Machado failure exemplified this. JR makes plenty of $$ each year for reaching the status quo and his sweetheart stadium deal pretty much lets him keep all profits. As fans, we are stuck in baseball Hell with JR and his cronies. The rebuild decision was a breath a fresh air, but so far the developmental aspect of it all has been disappointing. The payroll has been low for three years now and it will only get lower next season. Hahn said the $$ will be spent, but on who? The free agent class next winter is mediocre at best. And didn't Hahn say they were tired of being 'mired in mediocrity'? Umm heres an idea, spend $$ that you HAVE PLENTY OF and get a 26 year old generational talent, oh dang... these players will not be available next winter, or the winter after that.... so who the Hell does Hahn plan on spending the $$ on? More 32, 33 year old Todd Frazier and Melky Cabrera types? Yeah, that sure will generate excitement with this pissed off fan base. #TimeForANewOwner

Here are the White Sox standings since 2013 with Rick Hahn at the helm: 2013- 63-99 (non-rebuild) 2014- 73-89 (non-rebuild) 2015- 76-86 (non-rebuild) 2016- 78-84 (non-rebuild) 2017- 67-95 (rebuild) 2018- 62-100 (rebuild) You would think with all of those losing records even before the acclaimed rebuild, the White Sox would have more prospect depth to show for it with all of those high draft picks. Scouting and development within this organization has been really bad over the years. Professional scouts have been brutal as well. Hence many of their free agent acquisitions fail to work out. We've encountered 6 losing seasons in a row and this will be the 7th. If it takes 5 consecutive losing 'rebuilding' years to reap the benefits of a winning roster, than we shouldn't expect a winning product until 2022. That would be 10 consecutive years of losing records. And yet JR, RH and KW will all still be around.... claiming not free agent is worth X dollars blah, blah, blah. Pathetic.

Because they told us that they were all in on him from day 1 of the offseason. They even traded for the dudes brother n law and signed one of his BFF's. And all but admitted that they 'wouldn't have any financial restraints' this offseason. And that they 'will have a seat at the table'. Little did we know they resorted back to old white sox ways and tried to get MM at a bargain price and set an unnecessary arbitrary line in the sand by stating they suddenly wouldn't go to $300 million. They essentially lied to us.

Yep. The White Sox just signed a mega tv deal with CSN Chicago too. Let's see, they have a low payroll, mega tv deal, a bunch of cheap pre-arb players (soon-to-be call ups) on the roster and they just "Cant' offer $300 million on a 26 year old superstar. Screw off!

I love the 'we still plan on spending the $' mention from Hahn. Sure.... you'll spend it on a bunch of mediocre joes like Todd Frazier and Melky Cabrera. The guy who ironically made the 'mired in mediocrity' quote as the guy who makes mediocre offers to generational talent. No chance in hell Harper, Arenado, MadBum or any other superstar would consider coming here when they will simply get low-balled by JR and his thrifty puppets known as Kenny "I'll never be fired" Williams and Rick "I say fancy bullcrap" Hahn. But hey, remember Sox fans, we should be proud of the effort they made to land these superstars. Since JR bought the team, the White Sox have made the playoffs 5 times. 5 times in 38 seasons! They haven't made the post season since 2008. Since that time 26 other teams made the playoffs at least once AND many of those teams have fired their GM's due to a lack of success. Meanwhile RH and KW keep strumming along and JR's commitment to winning remains questionable. Why do we cheer for this team? All they will do is let us down, over and over and over and over.

Don't let yourself be double disappointed when Harper inevitably signs with the Phillies. Once again, it's not JR's cheapness, its the ineptitude of the management to get a deal done. If you don't offer opt outs and can't reconfigure $$ to make it more guaranteed, what is the appeal for coming here? None. This team put up ridiculousness constraints to eliminate themselves from sealing the Machado deal. No chance in Hell Harper will take a deal with zero opt outs and limited guaranteed money. Harper will get 350 million of guaranteed $$ and based on what he brings to any organization, at just 26 years old- he deserves it. So unless, the White Sox wake up from reality, don't bother wasting your time as a fan. Apparently the team payroll at $25 million next season is too high to afford a player making $30+ mill per season when that player is in his prime.

I think Clark simply wants to be ‘the guy’ who claimed to break the news. He is claiming to have used his connections to the Orioles roster (Manny’s former team), as an intel to get leaked info. Manny already told his friends that he simply “prefers the Yankees” as MLB.com previous reported, but that doesn’t mean that will be the team he ends up with. It’s all about long term fit, $$$, and long term chance at winning. Morosi brings up wonderful points that favor the white Sox at the end of the video I posted.

I find it extremely odd that this Clark guy is so certain that Machado is signing with the Yankees. According to Morosi on the MLB Network, Machado hasn’t event talked financial numbers and offers with the Phillies, Yankees or White Sox yet. http://mlb.com/r/article?ymd=20181228&content_id=297610378&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (watch the end of the video on top of page) Seems more and more that Clark is grasping at straws and hoping Machado does sign with his favorite childhood team. As of now, Clark looks foolish.

The more and more this Clark guy talks, the less confident I am that he was right about his “intel”. Machado is still very much in the running for the White Sox. And according to Steve Phillips, so is Harper. (Probably more so) dont stop believing Sox fans....

That’s a good point. And a wonderful problem to have. That team is going to be filthy good for a long time.

Assuming MM does sign with NY. Who do they move in a deal? Gregorious to make room at SS or Andujar to make room at 3B? Granted they would’nt have to make this decision until Didi returns from the DL in June, still something to monitor going forward. I personally would love Andujar at 3B.

Well I can’t really trust Hahn or KW to sign a whale. Other than the Cuban international signings, they have never done that.