Wedge

I took a look at the 2015-2016 MLB free agent list: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/09/2016...ree-agents.html What's depressing to me is that I'm not sure the Sox could buy their way out of their present situation, even if they had infinite money. I'm not seeing how the Sox can cobble together an average lineup without trading off at least one of the young guns (Quintana, Sale, Rodon). Your best bet at this point is to try to jumpstart the club with a 1998 Astros/Mariners type trade (where the Mariners got Carlos Guillen and Freddy Garcia for Randy Johnson).

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 16, 2015 -> 09:26 AM) interesting set of rumors.... yes it is rumors and well, i am just looking, mostly b/c it involves the hawks. since the loosing of Oduya via ufa, there is a little rumblings that UFA Christian Ehrhoff-d is on the docket for a discussion with both parties interested, and Ehrhoff wouldn't mind playing on a really cap fav salary, in order for a chance to get a SC ring. now my take is, the hawks needs to get rid of at least 6-8 million in salary..... how??? i think this may be wishful thinking. Ehrhoff is probably looking at a 1 year deal. He only made 4 million last year and had concussion issues. My guess is he's looking at a Richards type 1 year deal.

Quickest potential fix is a new manager. Robin's terrible. This might be a 500 club with Guillen managing. Simply terrible game management alone has turned 5 wins into losses.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 28, 2015 -> 03:04 PM) Today is going to end badly. It did lol

We're gonna lose 4-1

Thibs is such an awful in-game coach.

It's really tough to judge Robin's bullpen management when the cards he's been dealt there have been awful in his entire tenure. How many games has Jose Abreu won for us this year? Would Abreu have adapted as seamlessly to MLB under a different manager?

This might be a really dumb question, but what sorts of things is Thibs going to do when both Gasol and Noah are on the court at the same time? I know Gasol isn't considered a great defensive big, but I think the pairing should be pretty solid defensively. But what about offensively? What sort of sets can they run when they're on the court together?

I'll remember him as the skipper of the first White Sox team to win the World Series in 88 years.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 03:27 PM) No, Soler was a substantial international signing. Durp.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 03:12 PM) I mean....just going on a huge spending spree across the board the last two years, throwing good money after bad, and hoping some of it sticks. There's no arguing their Top 4-5-6-7 of K.Bryant/Baez/Soler/Olt/Almora/Alcantara is a LOT more interesting/exciting/intriguing. Of course, there are no guarantees with prospects, any more than there is picking random mutual funds. Unless I'm mistaken, Bryant, Baez, Almora, and Soler were draft picks? In the "trade a starting pitcher for prospects sweepstakes of 2013" I like Garcia over Olt. I'll grant you Alcantara as an international signing. Not seeing where the Cubs spending willy nilly in trades is making a difference.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 02:44 PM) Except they've never done this in the last 30 years, as an approach. It's frustrating to watch the Cubs or the Dodgers amass talent in this way...but the White Sox are highly unlikely to change course right now. What talent have the Cubs amassed this way? You're frustrated Corey Black isn't in the system?

Sort of sad that injuries held him back so much. 83 starts in 3.5+ years. Oh, what could have been.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 03:21 PM) 100% this is going to be true, no matter what the metric is (appearances, IP, days on roster, etc). The downside is that the Rays could theoretically make another trade with some of the more attractive PTBNL prospects, right?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 12:50 PM) I have a hard time believing we're asking for this. And if we are, I hope Hahn comes down a ton off of his demands. That price is unreasonable, no one will pay it, and we need to get Rios and Ramirez and a couple of others off this team. WE can't go into next year with these same stiffs. Isn't the objective of a trade to improve the team or at least it's prospectus? Unless you're getting back two top prospects and a utility player, I don't think you're doing that. The issue seems to be that you're misclassifying Rios and Ramirez as stiffs. That's not accurate, as they have value commensurate with their salaries.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 11:53 AM) We gotta eat some money in his deal if that's what we are asking for. I don't see any way around it with Rios. Presumably the Sox would be taking on the lesser player's salary, right? So that's eating money to some degree.

I wouldn't be upset if Peavy and Rios aren't traded. Both are good contracts and I think it'd be very tough to get a haul of prospects of commensurate value. You never know, Hahn could figure out a "retool on the quick and cheap" plan in the offseason and we'll contend in 2014. Of course if that flops, trading both is always an option next year. Don't trade them for the sake of making a trade. I personally view Dunn as a bad contract, so clearing him off the books for even a modest return would be a huge win. I think Ramirez is still a good contract and Hahn has to keep him if he has any thoughts on contending in 2014. I certainly wouldn't object to trading him if the return is pretty good and a separate trade brings back a serious SS prospect. I have similar feelings on De Aza. Since Crain is probably gone at the end of the season, getting anything in return would be a net positive.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 06:19 PM) I said his production is easily replaceable. This idea that just because you have a MIF that is above league average, you must keep him is ridiculous. Because above league average MIF still suck when compared to overall league average. They don't win you games and wasting $10 mil on them when it could be spent on someone who is much more productive is a horrible use of resources. If it's easily replaceable, who do you replace it with? Somebody in the farm system already? Somebody hitting free agency? My thought is your best bet is to convert Beckham to SS but I'd love to hear your idea.

Perhaps silly question... is Crain a prospective Type A free agent?

f*** OVER TIME

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 08:49 PM) f***ing TOLD YOU!!!!!!! GOALL!!!!! love it! Toews having a night.

here comes game 7

TOEWS!!!!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 01:56 PM) The thing is, the Sox would have produced an elite pitching staff. Chris Sale, Gio Gonzalez, Brandon McCarthy, Mark Buehrle, Dan Hudson, is a starting five that most of MLB would kill for. Lucas Harrell, Clayton Richards, Hector Santiago, Dylan Axelrod and others are still left over. That isn't even getting into relievers. Its the position players they have struggled at. More than anything, awful contracts to position players have killed the Sox over the years. Picking up Rios's contract, signing Dunn. Williams was solid at finding guys in other organizations that could contribute as everyday players, but drafting and splashy FA signings were real killers, especially for a franchise that just couldn't afford a lot of bad money.

To be honest, I think the White Sox are in a pretty decent place organizationally right now. For whatever reason, it seems like we have an incredibly solid pipeline of pitching talent that provides our MLB roster with anything from frontline starters to quality relievers. Where we really, really struggle is producing quality position players. We've basically got Viciedo, Ramirez, Crede, Rowand, and Beckham to show for the last 10 years or so. Yikes. I know it's tough, but that part of the equation has to get rectified.