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You're asking a loaded question. Now I am ignorant on Preller's international signings and quite frankly have done only a small amount of research on SD Padres int'l. signings But if we are talking about basically signing 16/17 year olds. They do take a while to reach the major leagues . And I assume it might be hard to pin down exactly who he recommended in his Ranger days since he wasn't a GM then. Since you only asked for huge stars or proven talent you already knew the answer might come up empty since development time takes a while and Preller's time as a GM with SD started in August of 2014. I didn't see any top 30 int'l prospects on the MLB Pipeline list for 2018 and 2017 that SD got. I believe those lists were for judging the talent before they got signed . I do see that in 2016 SD signed 7 of the top 30. I have no idea how those guys are doing so far. SO basically for the 4/5 years since August 2014 I don't see many LATAM talent that has reached the majors for any team. Juan Soto made it last year. Maybe I don't recognize other names.

I understand but also the prospect starting pitchers might be a far greater risk as we have seen the past year with the injuries to Kopech Dunning and Hansen's implosion from injury and wildness along with handling Cease with kid gloves because of his TJ surgery. Even if they don't get injured, development could take years or they might just never be as good as we hope, . A least the top of the line starting pitchers are proven commodities. Also if position player prospects are a better investment then wouldn't trading them for the risky starting pitchers also be backwards ? One way or another you are going to need starting pitching . If the payroll is there buy it. Buying position players to fill holes is good too. 3 positions players 1 SP , 2 of each , 3PP 2 SP. The money is there next year. But we are still operating under the assumption this FO is still capable of making those kinds of transactions and right now it seems pretty unlikely they'd pay fair market value for 1 let alone 3 , 4 or 5 of them.

Hit the nail on the head. So much discussion was about what a twitter comment meant. They are usually intentionally vague to create chatter and clicks. It was extended here. Not once have I or will I PM anyone here asking to or wanting to discuss rumors. I got what I wanted in the end and that was where Machado ends up . Rumors and twitter and insiders here do nothing to change the outcome. However it does make the off season more lively, not exhausting not frustrating . You create your own exhaustion or frustration by buying into the hype.

Well you got it right .The FO just screwed it up . Injuries screwed it up. Moncada and Giolito screwed it up. However there is this season and next ,for all those bad things that happened, to rebound . Moncada, Lopez ,Eloy ,Cease, Kopech, Robert , Madrigal etc. still could be the Tsunami. Phase 3 is on delay until further notice. Maybe late 2019 or early 2020 the FO learns how to live in the present.

Not I, not when the payroll is still so low next year. No sense diluting the talent pool when talent is available for just money. Sox need the prospects to be good and screwing up by trading the wrong one(s) would be terrible. I realize signing free agents hasn't been management's strong suit but when the money is there they need to sign top end talent. I think no matter what the talent will be there for position players but waiting for the starting pitching to mature would be a bigger mistake. But we have to wait and see how guys progress again this year so it's a bit premature to determine who to go after anyway. Besides like I said you can add 4 guys making $25M a year so why trade prospects?

I think the biggest priority for the money next year will be a top flight starting pitcher. The rotation will still be so young that you need a veteran leader, a true ace. Even though Kopech and Cease are better prospects than Giolito and Lopez they both have issues for 2020. Kopech will be coming of his TJ surgery and in his first full year and therefore might start the year in the minors and certainly won't have the stamina necessary to pitch a full season. Cease still has to survive 2019 uninjured and also is still building up his innings, Dunning also coming off injury and has to survive 2019 uninjured . Hansen we cannot count on for much of anything right now.

Hahn isn't exactly Mr, Popular right now . I will take less likable for better results.

He is also ranked #2 by MLB Pipeline ahead of Eloy Jimenez who is #3 in the Top 100.

Did we forget that the James Shield the Padres signed came off a very good year where he came in 18th in MVP voting in 2014 and was 11th in Cy Young voting in 2013 ? Or did we forget when James Shields started to suck in his 2nd year with the Padres they quickly got rid of him for He Who Shall NOT Be Named to the clueless White Sox even though he was just blasted by San Diego's management for sucking so badly and despite continuing to suck that the Sox kept him for 3 full years ? Did we forget that after the trade the thread here was almost universally against the trade despite not even knowing who HWSNBN was and who he was going to become ?

Don't forget when Preller was investing in Latin America that Hahn's recent response to that was drafting and concentrating on developing RELIEF PITCHERS . You know those guys who vary wildly from year to year in performance and are available year in and year out for fairly cheap.

The obligations on contracts for next year is ridiculously low. The Sox could easily add $100M in contracts for next year alone. Will they ? 10 $10M , 8 12.5M , 6 $16.6M, 5 $20M, 4 $25M , 3 $33M contracts or some combination of these.

We need a catchy phrase for this disaster like The White Flag Trade, The Machado Disaster ? The Machado Catastrophe ? Calamity Manny ? The Manny Machado Misadventure (Mishap) ? Front Office Flop ?

I just had a revelation. Ron is sacrificing himself and trying to unite us all to make us all realize we still love the White Sox by making himself and the Cubs the enemy and not the Sox front office. Thank you Ron . Your sacrifice and humility has not gone unnoticed.

Nah when you temper your expectations you get used to disappointment and get over it quicker . No one died here and we didn't catch a spouse cheating on us. We all vented. I vented pretty good . Time to move on.

I don't think now is the time to give up hope. Yes it sucks and it's always an uphill battle given that every year you battle 29 other teams and our own front office. Maybe Moncada becomes a smash hit at third (doubtful). The Sox have this year to find out some things. Hopefully less injuries to prospects and more linear development of others in the minors and our young big leaguers. Management won't stop trying and we can hope they stop failing . We cannot sulk forever. It's OK to be disappointed or sad or even angry but if you are to continue being Sox fans then you will continue to want them to win, maybe not with all your heart for now. But if they do manage to sign a premium FA or two and we see some progress they will start to capture your full heart again and you will be there rooting for them to win in the playoffs. So we might as well get over it and get back on the horse .

Rendon's last 2 years have been MVP quality. but he'll be 30 for the 2020 season so the Sox might want to put incentives in 3 years of a six year deal or might not even offer 6 years .

Gracias amigo ! but not well spelled. I edited it now.

Vaya con dios puto

Yes it did and later on Belle said he made a mistake not staying with the White Sox.

Of course they don't . I didn't see any person mention it so apologies if someone did. When the Sox signed Albert Belle to the richest contract in baseball history he got out of it from an opt out.

Just make the new banner with the participation trophy on top of a seat at the kids table.

We can't always control what our kids end up liking. Yes my father was a Sox fan so I became one. But when I had kids I tried to get my son to become one at an early age. He showed a lot of athletic ability early on but living in California made it much harder . He ended up liking the Blue Jays because I watched them win the World Series way back when because he was a kid and probably thought the little birds were cute. But he never became a big fan of baseball or any sport because he liked video games much more, Divorcing didn't help either especially when his mother moved both my kids to Arizona and I became less of an influence on him.

OH WTF had to.

Oh, I'm so blind, oh, I'm blind I wasted time wasted, wasted, wasted time Walkin' on the wire, high wire But I must let the show go on Edit: I know I could've used PInk Floyds or Queens versions of their own The SHow Must Go On songs ,all great songs ,but I chose Three Dog Night for the Circus Music along with those particular lyrics.

Keep me informed about that please. I might be retiring in a year or so. So cal is too expensive to live here and state taxes ridiculous . Will only be for the rich . the working poor or the homeless soon.