Balta1701

Move to Nashville you bums.

More likely that they will just pick up MMs option in May and release Lee. MM is great behind the plate, the announcers will tell you so.

He has an option for next year too. Being terrible last year didn't stop him from getting $4 million based on reputation for grindy veteranyness.

I know they're bad, but this would be seriously bad, like beyond what we can fathom. That 2003 Tigers team was incredible. A guy lost 20 games. They were saved from being a 40 win team literally by the White Sox. The As last year couldn't keep up being that bad. This would be a challenge.

I have literally no idea what this refers to because it could be so many things.

Modern era is 36-117 by the Philadelphia A's in 1916, a .235 winning percentage. The worst recent one was the 43-119 Tigers in 2003. I believe that season got them the draft pick that became Verlander. I believe that something like 10 of their wins came against the White Sox, IIRC, and had the White Sox gone several games better agains those Tigers it could easily have put them into a tie with the Twins. 2018 Orioles, 2019 Tigers both won 47 games.

Martin should not be an option as he's less than a year out from TJS.

During the offseason after 2022, we heard reports of both Moncada and Grandal having major back issues during the year. It made sense given the big struggles of both of them, so I believe for Moncada it's at least been 2 seasons now.

When they finished paying off the penalties for Robert's signing after 2018, they looked to have a good amount of money to spend, and they did spend it. They added something like $40 million to the 2019 payroll along with commitments for 2020, followed by two larger contracts in 2020. Because Rick Hahn was the GM, half of that money was spent on over-the-hill relievers. At least as of now, I don't feel compelled to try to hang Getz with what was clearly a problem with Hahn's strategy. They did so in the Rick Hahn way, but they had money to spend and they did spend it.

Being reactive to soreness and injury rather than expecting him to have some limits and being proactive about giving him extra rest or putting limits on his pitch counts early in the season is totally a questionable decision. Someone claiming that this is what they should do would be considered an extreme hot take too.

Even if that happens, they will have plenty of money to spend. They have about $50 million guaranteed counting Robert, Benintendi, Fedde, and a handful of buyouts including Eloy's at $3 million and Moncada's at $5 million. Filling out the rest of the roster with minimum salary guys would leave them a $65 million payroll, and that's without considering whether Robert, Fedde, or Benintendi could be moved during 2024. They could spend $50 million and still have a serious payroll cut.

If we're really strategic about it - clearing out Moncada, Eloy, and most of the other money the White Sox have on the books will leave them some room to spend this offseason. One thing we have seen recently is that, if you're patient, some of the better FAs may be available at the end of the free agent period on short term, low money deals. Matt Chapman had a helluva weekend for San Francisco, as an example. If they got tolerable seasons out of a couple of their kids, and they stole a handful of 3 win players on opt-out contracts at the end of free agency, could they at least push themselves into the AL Central discussion? With how the free agent market worked this year, it seems plausible.

Chad Kuhl and Touki Toussaint are already on Charlotte's roster, so they have the waiver claim options if they want to use them. I don't know why they would bring Nastrini up over one of those guys, or pitch Crochet on 4 days rest rather than those guys, because both of those seem like better options. Getz, however, seems to be focused on rushing guys and using them as aggressively as he can.

I'm hoping that they are counting on their being a weather cancelation and just have to make it look good.

While it might not apply to all of them - Colson being up this year, Thorpe being up this year, Nastrini being up now - these guys are definitely being moved aggressively enough that some serious struggles might be expected at the big league level.

There's no way I'm reading this right, Forbes thinks the Mets lost $500 million last year? That's greater than their entire payroll expenditure including the luxury tax dollars.

A guy who is trying to run with a back injury or who is trying to twist his body while also playing through a back injury is way more likely to hurt other things. This is precisely why you don't have guys play through injuries and why doing so is stupid rather than tough. It leads to you doing other things awkwardly that stress those muscles in rough ways, leading to sprains, tears, etc. Running full speed between bases with a back injury could absolutely be a reason why a guy would pull a hammy or twist an ankle.

Yes, Moncada is hurt a lot. As far as I can tell, he has been trying to play through a serious back problem. There's pretty much no amount of toughness and rubbing dirt on it that will help with serious back problems. Whether that is career threatening I am not sure, but it definitely seems within the realm of possibility. In terms of Eloy getting hurt, yeah there's something up here. I don't believe that it's him not being tough enough, if a guy pulls a muscle I don't want him trying to play through it if all he does is strike out. He definitely gets hurt too often and it has been a major impact to his career. Some guys are just like that, possibly Eloy is one, maybe he doesn't take enough care of his diet and exercise and stretching routines, I don't know. I do think there's something to the team's training regimen, the lack of coordinated offseason workouts, the lack of advanced work on mechanics and so forth, that we've heard about a lot, and the number of injuries some of these guys have had. But then again, sometimes guys' bodies just break down - hell, take a look at Soroka, no one seems to thin he did anything horribly wrong, but he had the same issues as Burger and it cost him what was shaping up to be a strong career.

No one was likely paying anything for him at the deadline last year either. You might have gotten someone to absorb the rest of his contract still, but I thought someone might take his contract on last offseason and no one wanted him at that point either. If you have to pay a large portion of his contract to move him, then there's no reason to do so.

No one would take him last year either. You’re precisely correct.

The attendance today was 17,478.

And in 2022 when both he and Grandal tried to play through back injuries that we found out about in December. There’s a long list of this, from Just the last couple years. I totally believe the White Sox have a staff that would think “he’s not tough enough to play through a serious back injury” and tell that to people. That isn’t a comment on the player, it’s a comment on the staff.

I don’t believe one bit that the problem with guys on the 2021-2023 white Sox is that they aren’t tough enough to play through injuries. The much bigger problem is that the staff thinks they should be able to rub some dirt on an actual injury and play through it, and in the process they make things worse and worse while the players are also terrible.

Atlanta is only here once right? They will try to get this in as much as they can.