Greg Hibbard

He will be traded in less than 40 days one way or another. It’s a shame that everyone is probably going to focus on the last two bad months here rather than the 3-4 good years he had here.

I think TA is a rare player who is extremely susceptible to good and bad stretches based on how his life is going. We saw it in 2018 when he struggled mightily for a whole season after the death of his friend, and we are seeing it now with his off the field problems this year. I don’t think there’s anyone alive who thought Tim at his very best was some sort of sustainable clip, but I also don’t think Tim at his worst is what he is either. I would be very surprised if he doesn’t have another good stretch in him like what he did from 2019-2021.

Where in the article does TA actually say he is misunderstood? I think the headline is pretty deceiving.

“Passable” AAAA ML players for cheap

Yes, I would like this team to win a championship. There is not a chance they will be able to do that while Reinsdorf is still owner, because you would have to luck into the perfect storm of player development, trades, FA signings, and timing that represents a 1 in 100,000,000,000,000 chance that occupies the calendar year of our Jerry 2005.

Can some reporter ask a question like this or will they get permabanned? The team has an 85% success rate at stolen bases. I don’t care who gets injured, because they get injured anyway. So run. I don’t care if it’s some slow mammoth of a player. Run, Gavin Sheets. Run, Andrew Vaughn. Sing for your supper. Act like you actually play the game harder than everyone else for once this season. Run even if Grifol tells you not to. Show some damned fire. I want them running laps after the game anyway because they play like little leaguers, so this would be a good start.

But do you trust the inept Angels organization to build with trade return what they can’t with standard drafting and ML scouting? I don’t trust the White Sox to do that certainly. My plan is to follow individual players I like and stop thinking this stupid org is going to win anything soon. Luis Robert remains a player I like to watch and root for. There’s a few on this team. There’s no way this clown show of an org will win anything ever again in mine or your lifetime. Once you let all that go and just get back to enjoying whatever about this shitshow you can, things get a lot better

So, you would deal him for what? 6 prospects? 8 prospects? What that you could get back for the rest of Robert’s contract makes us a winner? Anyone acquiring him isn’t giving up proven ML talent. What that we get back makes us a winner by the end of Robert’s contract?

What??? Robert is a 5-6 WAR player even when he isn’t really that into it. Why keep anyone at any time if you’re not going to keep a 5-6 WAR stud you’re paying 9.5 million for this season?

Sheets is hitting .179/.593 in June. He provides negative value at this point. The cup of coffee is now empty and it’s time.

But then you consider that a 2.8 WAR player is almost the ideal player for this organization. Good enough to stick around for 6 years at the minimum, not good enough to not take a big extension that guarantees them 50 million over 4 years or something. So maybe Vaughn at #3 is an exactly perfect textbook White Sox culture pick.

Exactly. No quality FA would ever want to come here until we have different ownership.

The solo home run phenomenon of this team is so fitting: a bunch of nonplussed dudes completely disconnected from one another racking up the emptiest of stats in a forest that mow down trees that don’t make a sound when falling. They are full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Why are other rookies succeeding despite that?

I just don’t understand the upside. The dude is super slow, he doesn’t defend at an elite level, he doesn’t have plus power, and he doesn’t take enough walks. What the hell were we sold on? A high enough floor to be assured of being a right handed Gavin Sheets?

Jerry should just own-manage. Hahn can still be the GM. It would be fitting.

Why would Quentin be a good comp? Carlos had 36 homers in his age 25 year, had a 30 homer per 162 avg, and had an 830 plus career OPS. Vaughn has shown no signs he is even close to that level.

I just want the club to clean house completely and start over with people who actually want to play the game hard. I would rather watch a no salary bunch of AAA guys busting ass on every play than these entitled affluent bums.

…Dan Pasqua? Let the question sink in for a minute, and then check the numbers. It’s horrifying to think he might not even be as good as that guy.

It’s so sad and typical that the story of this game has become the franchise strikeout record, the announcers and everything about the energy around this seems to care not a single iota about the stated purpose of this game. Who the hell cares about the franchise record for strikeouts. Win the goddamned game.

Jake has been unbelievable, and I think his future is very bright if he can stay healthy. I’ve been wondering about his swing rate and particularly his swing rate out of the zone, which at times seems highly exploitable. I think the adjustment the league will make is that every pitcher will just not throw him strikes until he learns to stop swinging so much.

To your point about Eloy in the field, he does hit significantly worse as a DH - .242/.745 vs. .290/.858 as a LF. I know he does gets injured, but the first injury was honestly a bizarre fluke that he probably couldn't duplicate if he tried, and the second injury had nothing to do with him playing the field - wasn't he running to first? The appendectomy also has nothing to do with being in the field. Is he a below average defender? Yes. But he hits way better when he's in the field. With respect to Moncada, at this point I'm neutral on moving him to 2b. Our 2b options aren't good offensively anyway, so we might as well try that too. That all said, I think you're looking at the money wrong for trade value, with all due respect. If you trade him this season, a team takes on $40 million and 1.6 years, right? If you trade him next year, and he's hot, the team only takes on the remainder of that one year at $24.8 million. If a contender has a major injury to an elite third baseman, it's a no brainer.

Well, no....at this point with Moncada's injury I'm not moving Jake off of 3B, especially after Jake hit two dongs last night. Jake's so hot he may be the starter no matter what at 3rd if he keeps raking for the next month. If Moncada was truly healthy I would have DH'd Jake because unlike a lot of others on this team, he seems to hit from any position in the lineup and whether or not he's DH'ing, and I want the defensive value of Yoan at 3rd. Living with a .730-.750 OPS isn't terrible with a great defender. It is what it is - an underwhelming contract for a slightly above average player.

I was never a fan of Burger to second, and I wanted Moncada to stay at 3rd for defensive value. I wanted Burger to DH and move Eloy back to the field. To your last point, I don't think we can really trade Moncada at his lowest value for return and i don't think anyone would take on that contract at this point. I think the best case is to IL him for the rest of the year, see 300 more ABs of Burger, and hope to get actual value out of Yoan's first half of 2024 if he gets hot by dealing him to a contender in July.

As it becomes more and more apparent that Gavin Sheets is the same AAAA player Daniel Palka was five years ago - a left handed power hitter with zero defensive value who occasionally gets hot with home runs - it begs the question - why isn't Oscar Colas back up with this club instead? Colas continues to prove everything he needs to at the minor league level. He now needs everyday reps at the major league level. I like Gavin and I hope he finds success, but he is just not a good enough piece to build anything substantial. The team is not willing to hit him against LHP, so he is a pure platoon option. Oscar is supposed to blossom into a great major league asset. Why are we holding back his development at this point?