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    I'm curious to know this history of Soxtalk

    in SLaM

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    13 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:

    I’ll take some time to write it up or find what was previously written up next week once I get past some key work deadlines - as there is some cool history for those not aware. 
     

    But site was founded by me and Molto - ran by a great team of admins (some have retired over the years) - and was a spinoff of SoxNet which was a news site that Molto and I ran before blogs were ever a thing.
     

    Soxtalk up after a bad deal where we joined a broader sports network and ultimately disagreed with network we joined and Soxtalk was a creative way out and it’s why this site will always and forever be independent and free. 
     

    We have been around since 2000 in some way shape or form. 

    Now, that’s a name I’ve not heard in a long time.

    Is it wrong to want the Sox to embarrass themselves?

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    23 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

    Haha good one. I was born and raised in Chicago on the SW side I was raised Catholic and went to a Catholic Seminary HS.

    I just can't forget that spirituality is still a part of every day life.

    Im a huge Sox fan .I played a lot of sports. Follow the Bears, Bulls, Hawks. Love baseball more than the other sports but still thanks to the internet and I tune into the CHGO shows that cover the Sox. I like Vinnie Duber and instead of bringing talk of darkening my soul into the conversation perhaps I can liken how I feel to a sports journalist.

    Duber is a Sox fan and a journalist who has media credentials. He has to cover the team and try to remain objective. He can't be overly critical of the Sox, especially Reinsdorf, if he wants to keep getting into games for free as a member of the media. As far as I can tell there isn't a single member of the media wishing for the downfall of the franchise because that is an emotional response not an objective one. White Sox fans have been through this in the past. We are not the 1st generation of fans to see the Sox suck. We are also not the only fans to follow a franchise that cannot compete due to ownership claiming they can't afford it.

    Wishing for the White Sox or Reinsdorf to be embarrassed or publicly humiliated accomplishes nothing unless you want to have the Chicago White Sox become a memory like the Chicago Cardinals in football.

    Like a media member I chhose to remain objective and keep my emotions out of it.

    If anyone here thinks they know me from my past 20 years posting here it's that I try really hard not to view things as a fan even though I am one. Just because Vaughn was a very high draft pick I was not hurt when he became less than was expected from him. But wow in the beginning when the fans were putting all their hopes of glory into Vaughn being an elite bat you could not look at him objectively and voice your opinion  without scathing responses from Sox fans on here .Most of the responses are based on the perceived notion that I know nothing because the majority opinion was  he's the greatest thing ever.

    When you're a fan of a terrible sports team for 50 years you just realize you can't let your fandom ruin your day or even ruin your mood while you're watching the game especially if you're the kind of fan yelling at the TV and having temper tantrums because you have money on the game especially if that behavior is around your children .What are you teaching them exactly by behaving in that way ?

    There are a lot of casual fans especially women who rarely post on fan forums like this. As far as I know we have one and she sometimes expresses her doubts about Colson Montgomery and gets a fair amount of grief for it. Forums like these are not for the faint of heart or for the casual fans or who don't put their heart and SOUL into all things White Sox. If you take your emotions out of the equation it becomes much easier .

    I'm very critical of Reinsdorf every chance I get. From the beginning of the rebuild  I always felt it had very little chance of resulting in a championship or multiple championships or even an extended period of high level of competitiveness. Anyone who has followed how Reinsdorf has operated  as Chairman of the Board should have tempered their expectations of "sustained success". Now it's like a lightbulb has suddenly been turned on for some fans but still I remind them that it's not Getz or Grifol or Hahn or player development that has led to the current state of affairs , it's Reinsdorf, just as it was Charles Comiskey or Bill Veeck or other owners who either couldn't afford or claimed not to have the resources to field a competitive team .  But they are still butt hurt about it. You promised me sustained success you lied to me.I hate you.

    This year is the 30th anniversary of the 1994 White Sox a team that could've won the World Series. Who was the biggest obstacle in baseball for that not happening ? Jerry Reinsdorf whose anti-labor stances led directly to the strike that cancelled the 1994 World Series.

    Now baseball has made a ridiculous anti tanking rule to limit having bad teams get high draft choices . Why not just have a draft lottery like basketball and hockey ? Bad teams still should have a shot at the best draft picks. Drafting and developing well is the only way poor teams can actually compete. The Orioles are where they are now because of it. Houston's had a nice run. Arizona has made it work for them. Tampa Bay has also although it hasn't resulted in any Championships. Arizona came close last year after drafting well. Reinsdorf certainly has more resources than TB but his problem is he has no interest in building an infrastructure of excellence through drafting and development. He never has.

    I'm semi sure Reinsdorf runs the Sox in a way he thinks is best to keep them in Chicago and prevent them from leaving the city like his beloved Brooklyn Dodgers did . But maybe it's just about lining the pockets of himself and his heirs and the investors .You'd think somewhere in his 45 years as an owner he would have realized his approach was not conducive to sustained success but they won in 2005 so maybe he became convinced his way was best. The Brooklyn Dodgers were also a 2nd rate team in a time when NY had the Yankees and the NY Giants and 2 of those team moved to California. Perhaps it's inevitable that the Chicago White Sox become a memory .

    I totally respect where you’re coming from. My way of keeping cool is by laughing at the team. To me, it’s the next best thing to cheering for a competitive team.

    Quigley?

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    Is it wrong to want the Sox to embarrass themselves?

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    7 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

    Look if u wish to have a philosophical or moral based debate on cheering for your favorite team find another taker.

    Everyone who is on the playing field accepts there are winners and losers and those who have more talent win more often.

    I cannot control what the franchise does so I am not angry because I can't control that situation . Just because it's my favorite team and they are terrible is no reason to wish for it's destruction. They aren't doing anything to us. They are just a poorly run business. It's spite for no real reason. It's your prerogative as a consumer not to buy their product. Winning is fun and makes u feel good and losing is not fun and makes you feel bad or sad but it's like a baby cries when it can't have a cookie when it wants one. I want to cheer for a good team and you suck now and I want you to look stupid because you made me feel bad . Winning and cheering for a good team is the cookie and now you're not getting it. It's childish and self centered. Let it go. You have no control.

    That is all. I realize no one likes to be lectured but it's more a philosophy of how to feel more serene . I'm not perfect
    I have frailties but if they truly are your favorite team you'll be back when they get good again or not . I will not be debating this because theres nothing to debate. You either take good advice or you keep spitting into the wind and getting it blown right back in your face. Be kind,  rewind your soul. We need to think more , take a few deep breaths and realize our feelings are not the center of the universe.

    You can’t tell you’re from California at all 😉

    But seriously, how could finding some enjoyment in the inevitable losing be bad?

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    Jake Burger

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    2 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

    Jake has a 0 fWAR and -0.1 bWAR. The most likely outcome of this trade is that neither Burger nor Eder are players of any real consequence. Burger is a DFA candidate in a few years and Eder will be lucky to be a lefty MLB reliever.

    I guess you don’t always gotta believe.

    Is it wrong to want the Sox to embarrass themselves?

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    13 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said:

    Well said. And Im not sure Getz is supposed to be accomplishing something better than status quo. But if he actually undershot the status quo historically as a miscalculation, bring it on. The star of the franchise is actually a milkshake.

    It certainly brings the boys to the yard.

    2 hours ago, scotty22hotty said:

    just saw this posted on reddit

    🤣

    Wow, we really do deserve to be relocated or contracted. Just a complete embarrassment of a franchise not just recently, but historically.

    16 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

    I see Sox hats around town maybe once a week or so. I'll ask most of them in passing if they are Sox fans. 90% of the time all I hear is "I just like the hat".

    I get comments almost every time I wear a Sox shirt like “rough year” or something similar. My response is usually “eh, it’s a shirt and it still fits”. Don’t want people to think I actually care.

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    Is it wrong to want the Sox to embarrass themselves?

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    3 hours ago, Sox80 said:

    Thanks.  I just looked that up. That's so stupid.   More reasons to dislike MLB 

    More reasons to hate cheap piece of s%*# owners of franchises that never really try to win.

    3 hours ago, Vote4Pedro said:

    Wouldn’t be an issue if your owner acted like a large market team and spent money like a large market team. 

    Yep.

    2 hours ago, Quin said:

    Lol, Greg I think I only have hard copies after a hard drive crashed, but if I find it in emails to my professors I'll DM it to you.

    Scan that s%*#.

    1 hour ago, Greg Hibbard said:

    Ask yourself this question: how would a historically bad season cause the outcome you want?

    because I’m not sure that a 120 loss season affects Reinsdorf’s net worth or the franchise valuation that much, especially because the biggest dollars are from cable, not from ticket sales. Unless lots and lot of people stay away for years I’m not sure it does anything either way.

    that all being said I’m verging on full boycott mode (as I did for the Blackhawks from 1997 until the day Bill Wirtz died)

    A fact I’m sure our owner is well aware of.

    4/14 Reds @ Sox 1:10

    in 2024 Season in Review

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    8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

    Foundational for creating a basement/cellar-dwelling team...maybe another owner would hire Getz to unintentionally tank their franchise in the future.

    To be fair, you want a good foundation when you’re living in the basement.

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    Sox Quote of the Day 4/12...

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    18 hours ago, Highland said:

    Getz will say the politically correct things because he has no other choice. But he will find out, if he hasn't already, that no one is buying any of it. Money needed to be spent, but it wasn't because JR cares only about a new stadium. This is outright embarrassing. For the first time in franchise history, the White Sox will lose 100 or more games in two straight seasons. How long can the FO stay in denial?

    When you think about it, it’s perfect that they’re asking for a new stadium during this train wreck of a season. It should be the easiest “no” for the politicians. JR has to have almost zero leverage.

    17 hours ago, pcq said:

    If it weren't for Chris and Pedo you could not have teams like the O's and Dodgers. 

    What do you know?

    4/13 GT - Reds at Sox (1:10pm)

    in 2024 Season in Review

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    22 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    Alright, DraftKings has a stepped-up parlay promotion, so throwing some money on the Sox.  $50 bet pays $850 with the boost.  Here are the legs:

    • White Sox to win
    • White Sox the score 2+ runs
    • Reds scoreless through five
    • Vaughn 1+ total base
    • Pillar 1+ total base
    • Sosa 1+ total base

    Please be kind baseball gods!

    Literally zero parts of that parlay came in haha.

    4/13 GT - Reds at Sox (1:10pm)

    in 2024 Season in Review

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    32 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said:

    This isn’t funny what we are seeing with the 2024 White Sox, at least last year they had a slight chance of winning a game, this pathetic team has no chance at all.

    That’s why it’s actually kind of fun. They’re so bad that you enjoy seeing how much they can lower the bar.

    12 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    Alright, DraftKings has a stepped-up parlay promotion, so throwing some money on the Sox.  $50 bet pays $850 with the boost.  Here are the legs:

    • White Sox to win
    • White Sox the score 2+ runs
    • Reds scoreless through five
    • Vaughn 1+ total base
    • Pillar 1+ total base
    • Sosa 1+ total base

    Please be kind baseball gods!

    Try to enjoy the time with your kid, because you ain’t winning money if you need all of those things to happen.

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    This picture exists

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    9 hours ago, DoUEvenShift said:

    I thought Steve Stone got really fat for a second, had to do a double take.

     

    Same here.

    7 hours ago, greg775 said:

    That's a good pic of all three of these gents. Tony looks way better than he did as skipper. It's great Ozzie over the past few years is totally welcome to work Sox games. He looks great there. Is Ozzie one of those guys everybody likes? Or can he be a jerk? I'm not talking about his statements to media, just his overall personality and demeanor. He seems like a guy folks would want to be around. I could be mistaken obviously.

    He’s certainly the most likely guy in that picture. That’s for sure.

    4/12 Reds @ Sox 6:40 CDT

    in 2024 Season in Review

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    5 hours ago, greg775 said:

    I hear you on the food. How'd you get off with no parking fee? Good for u. 40 bucks isn't so bad for delicious ballpark food, the only good thing about a Sox game. Watching Bong play and Nicky Lopez, they should pay the fans money for stomaching that.

    Live in the area so just walk. Gotta be honest, I didn’t watch the game very much. Mostly watched the occasional pitch between conversations. Usually didn’t even know who was batting.

    1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    Did you pound a Campfire Milkshake?

    Didn’t make it up to the stadium club. I’ve actually never even been up there. Do you have to pay extra to get up there?

    It was too cold for that crap anyway. I talked myself out of the soft serve sundae and rainbow cone because of the weather. Settled for a churro.

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    4/12 Reds @ Sox 6:40 CDT

    in 2024 Season in Review

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    46 minutes ago, greg775 said:

    Milk, no offense meant, but why did u go to the game tonight and how much did you spend for parking, tickets and food/drink? I'm just curious why anybody would choose to attend a Sox game unless it was totally free. More power to you, though.

    Mostly to eat. Get an urge for ballpark food every once in a while. Sometimes to enjoy the weather (not tonight).

    Tickets were from a resale site. No parking. Probably spent about $40 or so on food for myself.

    44 minutes ago, Goober said:

    Friday night attendance = 11,337 poor souls

    Gotta be closer to half that actually in attendance.

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    Fan since 1993

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    4 hours ago, ScootsMcGoots said:

    This is what blows my mind. They're okay giving money to guys that don't even contribute to wins. So many guys have been dropped from the roster due to underperformance and were still getting paid (Leury, Kuechel, and there's more), or are always injured (Yoan, Robert, Eloy) and still getting paid, or are still on the roster and contributing nothing and still getting paid handsomely (Benintendi, Grandal for a few years, etc). Money could have been spent so much better and wisely. 

    Do any of you know someone in your personal life who is extremely cheap? It’s like a disease. They put so much effort into acquiring their money and keeping it that when they’ve reached the point of being able to spend some of it to enjoy themselves or better their life, they just can’t let it go.

    That’s how I view JR. He could spend a little bit more money in the right spots (scouting, analytics, etc.) and improve his product exponentially which will lead to more revenue. He simply can’t bring himself to let go of that money.

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