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  1. NorthSideSox72

    Dane Dunning had Tommy John today

    Haha OK. We can argue semantics around the term "sprain", which per these medical sources can mean a tear or other things, but that's not the main point here anyway and its just terminology. It is that this revisionist history and saying he should have had surgery is ridiculous. Again, it means you either think you know more than the doctors, or that the doctors/team were hiding some surgery-is-necessary information to hold off on surgery for whatever weird reason. What you and a few others are doing is just hindsight criticism because you are angry at the team generally and this is a convenient target. To wit, see what ptatc is saying in all of his posts...
  2. NorthSideSox72

    March Madness is here

    Will there be a SoxTalk bracket tourney this year?
  3. NorthSideSox72

    Dane Dunning had Tommy John today

    First, it is not "likely" there was a tear. And besides, you have no idea, nor do I. But the early report was specific that there was a moderate sprain, saying nothing of a tear (sprains sometimes are a tear and sometimes not), so making the leap to "likely" is nonsensical. Possible, yes. Second, again, there is zero motive for the medical staff to do what you are supposing - to avoid surgery when a tear was already present and mess up Dunning's career. They clearly would want to do the opposite. Third, that is not how medicine works. You do surgery when necessary, or as a last resort. Surgery is not some flippant thing they do because maybe there's something doable in there. You do it when you have to, because surgery has risks. Fourth and finally, no matter how you characterize the decision, it did not result in losing two more years of development. At worst it added the loss of a July-August period in 2019, which is 2 months of play. Surgery today means he's likely back to normal a year from now, give or take a month or two either direction.
  4. NorthSideSox72

    Dane Dunning had Tommy John today

    A sprain can be a tear, but not all sprains are tears. And yeah I was in the same boat as everyone else, knowing there was a good chance that is where it would end up. That makes perfect sense. But that's not the same as saying he should have had surgery then when - if there was no tear - that wasn't even possible.
  5. NorthSideSox72

    Dane Dunning had Tommy John today

    Not sure how you made this leap. This isn't front office as in management if you will - it is medical staff. And to pretend you know more than them is most certainly disingenuous.
  6. NorthSideSox72

    Dane Dunning had Tommy John today

    I guess this is one of those pet topics for me. The last few years especially, I see a lot of people dehumanizing players by just saying "clearly he has a torn UCL" when a pitcher's forearm hurts or "clearly he should have had TJS already" when they have zero knowledge of a tear. It is like saying they either know more than the doctors (laughable), or they see the players as video game characters and don't consider how serious surgery is. I even saw a scouting-related blog insisting Alec Hansen "clearly has a torn UCL" when, again there was no evidence of and in fact there was every reason to believe otherwise. From a journalism perspective that's abhorrent to me - it is fast and loose with information and perpetuating lies while trying to make them look somehow knowledgeable. Maybe Dunning had a tear, maybe he didn't, but the initial reports were that he did NOT. Did it happen later and they elected to try to heal anyway? Maybe, I don't know nor does anyone else here I don't think. But believing the doctors knew surgery was needed and then for some unspecified reason avoided it anyway is ridiculous.
  7. NorthSideSox72

    Dane Dunning had Tommy John today

    You just kinda made the same case I did with more words. No tear, no surgery. Significant tear, probably surgery. Some small tear, well, that is a question with variables that are over all of our heads and the decision is fuzzy. But you can't just throw around "should have had the surgery before", when there is no info (that I am aware of) that he had a tear last summer. That isn't how any of this works. Are you aware of a report of a tear? If not, we need to not suggest surgery thinking it is some magic fix for all elbow ailments.
  8. NorthSideSox72

    Dane Dunning had Tommy John today

    Again, not possible. Stop saying this. No tear, no TJS.
  9. NorthSideSox72

    Dane Dunning had Tommy John today

    Please stop saying this crap. It is unfounded in anything factual. TJS is a procedure to replace ligament tissue, either from elsewhere in the body or cadaverous material. It is done to replace a TORN UCL. If there is nothing torn, there is nothing to replace. If Dunning has a strained/sprained UCL that did not include a tear, then the only viable option was to try the heal/strengthen route and then ramp him up again. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't. You can think the Sox training/medical staff has made mistakes, and maybe they have. But do you really think they would KNOW there was a significant tear, and try to avoid the surgery anyway? That helps literally no one, the Sox or the player or anyone else. There is zero motivation for that. Therefore, clearly there was no significant tear yet, so they took the only medically responsible path available to them. This sucks, but the conspiracy theories are ridiculous.
  10. NorthSideSox72

    NCAA Womens' Tournament thread

    Link to bracket iowa State a 3-seed in the Ames then Chicago bracket
  11. NorthSideSox72

    2018-19 NCAA Basketball thread

    FYI, the March Madness sub-forum is now open! Go visit for your NCAA MBB and WBB chatter!
  12. NorthSideSox72

    MIDWEST REGION

    First Round Games: Columbus: 1 UNC vs 16 Iona 8 Utah St vs 9 Wash Salt Lake City: 5 Auburn vs 12 Mew Mex St 4 Kansas vs 13 Northeastern Tulsa: 6 Iowa St vs 11 Ohio St 3 Houston vs 14 Georgia St Jacksonville: 7 Wofford vs 10 Seton Hall 2 Kentucky vs 15 Abiline Christian
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    WEST REGION

    First round games: 3/19: Prairie View (16) vs Farleigh Dickinson (16) play-in 3/20: Az St (11) vs St John's (11) play-in ...TRUE FIRST ROUND (3/21-22): Salt Lake City: 1 Gonzaga vs (play-in) 8 Cuse vs 9 Baylor Hartford: 5 Marquette vs 12 Murray State 4 FSU vs 13 Vermont Tulsa: 6 Buffalo vs 11 (play-in) 3 Texas Tech vs 14 No Kent Des Moines: 7 Nevada vs 10 Florida 2 Michigan vs 15 Montana
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    SOUTH REGION

    First round games: Columbia: 1 UVA vs 16 Gardner-Webb 8 Ole Miss vs 9 Oklahoma San Jose: 5 Wisky vs 12 Oregon 4 Kan St vs 13 UC Irvine Hartford: 6 Nova vs 11 St Mary's 3 Purdue vs 14 Old Dominion Columbus: 7 Cinn vs 10 Iowa 2 Tenn vs 15 Colgate
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    EAST REGION

    First round games: 3/19: Belmont (11) vs Temple (11) play-in 3/20: NCC (16) vs NDSU (16) play-in) ...TRUE FIRST ROUND (3/21-22): Columbia: 1 Duke vs 16 (play-in) 8 VCU vs 9 UCF San Jose: 5 Miss St vs 12 Liberty 4 Va Tech vs 13 St Louis Jacksonville: 6 Maryland vs 11 (play-in) 3 LSU vs 14 Yale Des Moines: 7 Louisville vs 10 Minnesota 2 Mich St vs 15 Bradley
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