Jack Parkman

@Look at Ray Ray Run I don't believe that it's possible to maintain such a low k rate without just giving away ABs for the sake of not striking out. Based on what I've seen of Madrigal that's exactly what he does.

The most likely outcome on a pitcher's pitch is an out, whether by strikeout or batted ball. Your best chance of reaching base is to either take that pitch and wait for the next one, or hope that it's called a ball.

25 or 26 depending on the position and injuries. Dunning is 25 and probably won't make his MLB debut until next season at 26. He still counts because he missed a lot of time with his elbow injury and there is no long term concern left. I have no issues with Dunning being considered a prospect at 26, as long as he's about ready to reach MLB. Position players become non-prospects at age 26 for me with the sole exception of catchers. Catchers can still be prospects at age 25-26 but other everyday players I usually consider non-prospects if they're not in AAA by age 24.

I actually think that b is better than making contact, because umpires are not infallible and those are probabably equally likely to be called balls vs. strikes. It's very rare that a pitcher has the whole plate on the edge of the zone.

I actually agree with the low k rate as a negative hypothesis. I think that by definition in order to have a K rate as low as Madrigal you have to be doing one or both of two things: a) attacking early in the count and rarely allowing yourself to get to 2 strike counts b) swinging at pitcher's pitches and making outs some other way. In the end, an out is an out over the course of a season.

Anyone that is 27 years old doesn't belong on a prospect list. JMO.

Benetti has NCAA tournament obligations.

For 15 days? It was already known between the draft and July 1st that Tallon was out. There is no way in hell that he was making decisions. None whatsoever.

No, there were reports that part of the reason that Tallon got fired was that. The Hawks had a freaking 9 year window and won three championships over that span, with two other conference final appearances while having to retool the depth pieces in the process. What more do you want? Another critical factor in Boston and Pittsburgh's continued success is timing of contract expiration. Crosby got to sign a 10 year deal under the CBA that still allowed such contracts. Malkin/Bergeron/Krejci signed shortly after the last lockout when the cap was significantly reduced from where it was when 19/88 signed their deals. Anyone that doesn't take that into account is a fool and just trying to fit their narrative. I'm not arguing that Bowman has been perfect(nowhere close actually) I'm not arguing that he should or shouldn't be retained. I have a problem with everyone saying that he's an awful GM because he's not and he'd have 5-10 job offers within days of being dismissed.

No I was talking about Boston there. Pittsburgh lost in the first round in 2011, 12 and 13. You don't remember the epic meltdown that the Penguins had vs the Flyers? Where they got absloutely spanked in multiple games and gooned it up? Why doesn't anyone lament Crosby and Malkin's physical primes being wasted? (They were btw) The Penguins had 2 separate windows, so did the Bruins. BTW I give Bowman 100% of the credit for that window for signing Hossa instead of retaining Havlat. The Hawks win zero Stanley Cups without Marian Hossa. That was a Bowman move.

@soxfan49 Nick Schmaltz is more of a contributor than Jokiharju. He put up 52 points 2 seasons ago and is having a very similar season to Teravainen this year. If Schmaltz is nothing, then what is Teravainen? Anything that you get from a player drafted past the midpoint of the 2nd round is gravy anyway. All of the forwards that the Hawks drafted were at least top 9 players and that's all you can realistically expect from late 1st round picks. You hope they're middle 6ers and anything more is gravy. You can't trade players like Toews and Kane anymore in the NHL. They're essentially untradeable. You'd never get fair value for a player of that caliber. If McDavid asked for a trade the Oilers would be fucked because nobody would give up fair value for even the best player on the planet.

There's this thing called the salary cap. Learn what it is, and why it exists. Anyone arguing that the Hawks could have or should have kept Teravainen, Schmaltz and Panarin has no clue about the salary cap. Those guys were gone regardless. The Hawks sold out from 2014-16 to try to win as many cups as they could in that span. They're paying the piper for that right now. They traded a LOT of first and 2nd round picks during that time span. For those praising Pittsburgh and Boston, those teams took a significant step back before opening a second window. Back in 2014 the Hawks window was still open where Pittsburgh and Boston's were slammed shut. It took a lot of re-tooling and Boston missed the playoffs for a couple seasons before re-opening their window. Getting Pastrnak at pick #24 is something that can't be counted on to happen. It's a stroke of luck when stuff like that happens. Pittsburgh lost in the first or 2nd round 5 years in a row and had a massive roster restructuring before re-opening their window. The Hawks had one 8 year window where Boston had 2 4 year ones and Pittsburgh had a 3 year window, and then opened another one 5 years later.

Jokiharju is nothing special, and the Hawks didn't have many forwards in the system with top 6 potential. Teravainen continues to be incredibly overrated by Blackhawks fans and everyone seems to forget how much of a disappointment he was when he was here. Seabrook was indefensible. I've been on the fence with Bowman all season but I'm reluctant to fire him because he and Kelley are nails on draft day, especially in the first round. Regardless of what the Hawks are saying publicly this is a rebuild and has been for 2 seasons. That's why I'm not as angry and up in arms as most fans. This is like screaming that you want to fire Rick Hahn after the 2018 season citing his 2012-16 performance as evidence. Of all of the players Bowman and Kelley have drafted in the first round this past decade only one(Mark McNeill) didn't become an NHL contributor. All others were top 9 forwards, and the jury is still out on Jokiharju/Boqvist/Dach but early returns are very promising for the two that remain with the team. They're rebuilding, they gave Bowman the keys. Let him see it through. My only complaint is that they're not tearing it down even more.

I'm tired of people who can't have a rational thought. I'm done with this thread. @Tony @soxfan49 Your hate for Bowman clouds everything. Like it or not, there was logic behind every move going back to Panarin/Saad. This is the price the Hawks are paying for success. I'm fine either way really. It would be a good thing to get a fresh set of eyes on the roster. If you want to make the the argument that they need a new GM because Bowman's been here for a decade and they need a new perspective, that's understandable. It's the same reason Q was fired. However, I really don't think that there was much he could do to avoid this kind of drop off.

I'd imagine that it either gets done or doesn't shortly before OD.