Harry Chappas

That and I still can't get my arms around the fact Alonso and Jay will be the consistent reminders of their failing for the next 8 months then Tatis and Macahdo for the next 10 years. Then there is the ole JR I'm not taking risk let's cobble a contract up to make certain my risk is low. They literally have nothing to spend their money on for the next 5 years. Then the icing on the incompetence cake.....KW and RH can't figure out why they didn't get him.....they both need to STFU and be fired.

If the Sox said in December that they didn't think either guy was worth 10/$300 I would have been mad but ok with it. If Harper goes to the Phillies I am fine with it as the NL got much tougher by those guys going there and the cubs have a tougher road which if the Sox are going to suck my next enjoyment in baseball is watching the cubs lose. Here is my issue... THIS FRONT OFFICE THOUGHT THEY WERE IN IT AND TOLD US THEY WERE.......AT 10/$300 THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN IT. They treated us fans like were are idiots, they were clowned into thinking they could get each player at a bargain price. Hahn and Williams suck at their job but here they are leading a rebuild. They are Gar/Pax.... I wish they would have just droped out when they knew they could not spend 10/$300

So he gets fair market value from a team at the end of the day. White Sox sat in the bargain bin al lwinter. The swift kick in the ass is Tatis, Machado and the useless players that are Jon Jay and Yonder Alonso taring us in the face. What and epic fail by the Chicago White Sox.

My take is the Padres are throwing numbers out there and are beating the White Sox and now the White Sox need to counter the offer. Neither guy was signing until this time so now the agents are getting their ducks in a row. There needs to be no meeting or selling teams to guys moving in future years. The NFL and NBA free agency starts and ends in a week or two. The MLB doesn't even start until the season is about to begin. I am not sure why this is but it is what it is. In regard to this new theory, took Moose two years to get what he would have gotten in KC if he took the qualifying offer. He has stayed with Boras after this and did the same thing this year so what the hell do I know.

CPD has suspected since day it happened it was BS.

A thing of note.....I think the only players left are white sox phils and maybe pads.......there is no team that has ever thought they needed to block the Sox from getting both. Only teams impacted are AL Central and Cubs who are all neutered. We believe Phils are in because of crazy money talk.....owner/McPhail isn't saying that now and is walking back from it. No team will jump in to block Sox there is no Red Sox v yanks......Dodgers v Giants......Cubs v cards thing here. There may have been some NL east noise but I think if Phils were in crazy money mode they would have signed one. Padres getting one and Sox left out is a massive blow to give them Tatis and not make good one getting us a whale to offset. I think getting both is crazy talk but I think they get one.

Everyone believes in the Phillies because of the owner crazy money talk in late fall. Crazy money would have signed either guy by now. Smart sensible money is keeping them out of camp.

You can leave a state because of taxes but then you need to go to a state and find a job that has comparable income. For instance using police officers as their slary is readily avaailable. Average Chicago cop salary $80K Average cop salary nationally $53K Average Birmingham, AL salary $44K When people talk about uprooting and moving there is a much larger picture to view than, oh taxes there are low.

The tax issue is not correct as they pay taxes in the state they play. All home games are CA txes but playing in MO is MO taxes. The amount of games the Padres play in CA is a whole more than the White Sox play there.

If there really is no market over $250M for either than the Sox could get both. I don't think this will happen but other then the White Sox and Phillies who is in play? A lot of mystery teams which are all bullshit, there are no mystery teams rather teams are checking in to make certain that $175M is not the gross number. If the Sox offer opt outs after 4 years to either or both or front load the shit out of the contracts, who knows what happens. Both of these guys have some flaws and the stupid money just may not be there.

Daley and Pritzker can get this done.

The White Sox are the safety net. I haven't read any article except for a couple and it is really simple. The narrative has not changed. The White Sox will go long term with a fair but probably under value deal that is sitting on the table for both players currently. The White Sox 2019 plans do not rely on them signing. Sure the Sox want one or both but neither is going to get them to the playoffs this year. IIf/when other teams drop in with real contracts the White Sox will get into the bidding and may be outbid but the White Sox are setting the bar low at this time and nobody is beating it. Keep the Yankees, Dodgers or cubs in the conversation gets clicks from their large fan base. The Nationals were probably in on it but then they went after Corbin. Teams with 2019 aspirations are not as one poster said, having a come to Jesus moment and are now dropping $300M. The offers are not there to beat the Sox. I am not certain the Phillies where the Phillies are at but if they wanted to go crazy one of the guys would be in camp by now with them. Maybe some teams jump in at $300M and grabs them. My feeling on Machado and why the Sox need him at any cost is that Tatis was a major F-up and Machado is an offset to that question. Yes we f'd up Tatis but we got Machado. You lose Machado and Tatis becomes something and the ineptness kicks everyone in the nuts for the next several years.

Said perfectly

And both have young players going to arbitration......go look at what Arenado just got and project that to the cubs abd yankees.

Bad point to give away though.