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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 09:17 PM) that's exactly what Rizzo wants from a team. To have them walking away head down and tail in between their legs. Like Rizzo has said, Dunn is too important to the fans,players, and staff in Washington. Rizzo loves to draft and i think he is fine with the picks if Dunn does walk. And when Rizzo demands that, that is when you say get real and stop wasting my time and hang up the phone.
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    White Sox Trade Catch-All

    QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 09:13 PM) Ok, so we have a Kotsay is better than Figgins post, and now a f***ing Brent Lillibridge is better post Any other gems somebody wants to throw out? I think it's funny that people think Chone Figgins is as bad as his numbers are showing. I also think it's funny that you guys are dismissing the chance that Seattle would pick up parts of that contract. Figgins > Pierre, Lillibridge, Kotsay, gmafb. I hate to sound like Hawk, but where would he play? Also, yeah, Figgins is terrible this year. And considering the amount of money he is owed over the next 3 years, he ain't worth the risk, especially for someone who would only be a utility backup player for us, like Lillibridge currently is. Talk to me when the Mariners are willing to pay over half of the almost 30 million or so he is owed for the next 3 years. Otherwise, GMFAB.
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 09:05 PM) I don't think that Kenny would've traded for Jackson if he wasn't prepared to be stuck with him. Lets hope that is the case or otherwise KW is an incompetent GM who needs to be fired this instant. If you are going to make a 3 way trade, you better make it all at the same time and not give another team a chance to back out.
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 09:07 PM) Call me crazy, but i'm seeing tonights game as showcase game for the Nats. Rizzo made it clear Huddy wasn't what they were looking for (with him and Strasburg having injury prone wind ups). I could see KW saying pick any minor leaguer you have interest in and well show case him for you Friday. With Viciedo playing (yes I know against a lefty) and Santos coming in last inning to start the inning against a lefty with Threets warming. I could see a Viciedo 1B, Morel 2B (Guzman was traded), Harrel, D2, and/or Santos for Dunn with us keeping EJax. Sale moves into the bullpen in a few weeks. Granted this would be based on Dunn signing an extension. It's slot but we know Rizzo wants a lot. For me Viciedo is UNTOUCHABLE the tank is legit That would be ass rape by Rizzo and the Nats.
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    White Sox Trade Catch-All

    There would be absolutely no need for Figgins with Lillibridge on the team, unless KW and Ozzie felt like we needed more black people on the team. Lillibridge does basically everything we would ask of Figgins, except Lillibridge is actually hitting this year and is immensely cheaper.
  6. QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 09:01 PM) His OBP is also .322, unfortunately. But has only 6 strikeouts in almost 60 AB's, and if you aren't gonna walk a ton, at least he won't K a ton either. Besides, considering he is still only 21, there is hope he will grow more plate discipline as pitchers start to pitch around him more.
  7. If I had to choose who to keep between Viciedo and Beckham, I would pick Viciedo everyday and twice on sunday. As long as he stays focused on rightfield and doesn't get pull happy, all signs point to him becoming a great hitter, IMO.
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:36 PM) You aren't paying him that now though. You're paying him roughly $1.3 million more this season than you would have paid Hudson. Balta pretty much summed it up. Even if you do trade him, then you still need to sign a 5th starter.
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:35 PM) Ugh, hearing that Yanks won't give up any premium prospects to get Berkman really frustrates me. The only problem is that I have a feeling Berkman would have rejected a trade to us, especially if it were between us and the Yankees. But then again, I have a feeling KW never was planning on going after Berkman anyway.
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:30 PM) Just one small distinction here...Jackson will only be making $1.5 million here for the remainder of THIS season. I don't think it's quite fair to be counting his salary for next season just yet... Until we are off the hook for it, it still counts. Just like Linebrink's salary.
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:28 PM) I think that Jackson could be exponentially better than Hudson. There is a reason why the Sox made the deal, and its not because they are in the business of overpaying for players who arent as good. My guess is that Coop soured on Hudson, while at the same time he likes Jackson. Could be a case of the grass is always greener, but I just dont have a lot of faith in Hudson. He may prove me wrong, but it wouldnt surprise me if the guy never is a major league starter either. And that would just be a dumbass way of approaching things. If you want to take on Jackson as a project, you wait until the offseason, when you have time to work with him. Not in the middle of a playoff run where he offers just as many question marks as the guy you traded.
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    Lucas Harrell starting tonight

    How did we make room for Harrell on the roster? Is the Huddy for Jackson deal still not official and we took Huddy off of the 25?
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:18 PM) It is now 4:18 PM. And I still hate this f***ing trade. Makes me want to go post in that thread you made the other day, but I'll give it until the deadline to see what happens.
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    QUOTE (The Beast @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:13 PM) I'm sure that Hudson would produce much better results against the Yankees. No one knows... but what we do know for a fact is that Hudson would do at 1/15th of the cost.
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:10 PM) Which would mean that the Kotsay disaster will continue. And we came out of the trading deadline with at best a very marginal upgrade at a position we were deep at, and zero upgrades at the position we've neglected all year. And that would pretty much clarify what most of us thought deep down but hoped was not true... that this team was perfectly content with Kotsay at DH even in the middle of a playoff run.
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:07 PM) I too wanted Berkman over Dunn. If most of the media reports are true, it sounds like KW was going all out for Dunn, even over Fielder. I'm going to be extremely pissed if KW got played by the Nats.
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    QUOTE (chunk23 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:03 PM) Apparently the Yankees are on the verge of landing Berkman, taking out a rival in the Dunn sweepstakes. I think I would almost prefer Berkman over Dunn. I think Berkman is the better overall hitter but his main problem has been injuries, and wouldn't cost as much in terms of prospects. However, can't really go wrong with either because they would both provide what we desperately needed.
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:02 PM) well he'd be an upgrade to Kotsay Lol, it'd be easier to find a list of players who WOULDN'T be an upgrade over Kotsay.
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:00 PM) Serious question...what does Jackson throw that is more dominant than Hudson? Hudson was touching 94-95 in his starts, Jackson goes 96-97 right? Fastball, slider, changeup for each of them? I've already seen Hudson throw a few legit "this is a very good pitch" changeups. Hudson doesn't yet have the slider, can you give other differences? I can't recall for sure, but isn't Jackson's fastball pretty straight as well? Hudson had some very good movement on his fastball, which made 93 plenty fast.
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    What a wonderful deadline this would be is if all we ended up with is Jackson and Hawpe and we gave our top pitching prospect.
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 03:50 PM) Honestly, the only thing that makes sense about this move is if KW spins Jackson over to the Nats for Dunn. Otherwise, looking at it from every angle, unless Coop can actually fix him, and fix him fast, it is a dumb trade. QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 03:51 PM) Fixed for you, Great Carnak Fixed it again.
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    Honestly, the only thing that makes sense about this move is if KW spins Jackson over to the Nats for Dunn. Otherwise, looking at it from every angle, it is a dumb trade.
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    The Wave Sucks

    QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 03:31 PM) You're taking my post a little more seriously than I did. Yes, I was momentarily embarrassed but I was not about to get into all the embarrassing elements of Wrigley/Cubdom with her. It was no big deal and I let her comment slide. However, I definitely was pissed when the people in my section all got up to wave when a crucial pitch/hit/run scored right at that moment. Missing one pitch due to the wave is usually not a big deal, but it pissed me off this time. The rest of the stuff I said is somewhat true but also tongue in cheek. There is more to being a sox fan than all the stereotypes I threw out but I really do not care for the wave or people throwing back opposing home runs at the cell. I like how knowledgeable our fan base can be about baseball. I know some drunks/fools call Ranger after the games, but the core group of fans are pretty solid baseball people and it shows when talking to fans sitting around you. Russ, I sit in Row 3 of Section 103. Im sorry if I came off a little harsh, I just hate it when people act like something this minor is the end of the world. Was it a dumbass time to do the wave? Yes, I noticed it when watching the game on tv. But whatever, it shouldn't have affected Putz and if it did, shame on him. And honestly, who here can say they didn't enjoy the wave as a kid?
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 03:40 PM) Regarding the bolded part, I already said I agree with most on the trade and Hudson vs. Jackson, but the value of Hudson on this board and what he could have fetched around the league had gotten out of hand. And the part you quoted is far from me saying "well we got nothing good for him so he must suck", what i'm saying is the way he is talked about around here you would think the Nationals would easily give up half a season of Dunn for him. Okay, fair enough.
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    White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

    QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 03:30 PM) I never once said that, so I'm not sure who you are referring to. But there is a massive disconnect between people on here's value of Hudson, and every major league teams value of Hudson. You pretty much said it when you said: "this guy was so highly regarded and sought after then why didn't the Nationals jump at a chance to trade Dunn for him?" And yeah, Hudson probably is overvalued on this board. But it still doesn't make the trade make anymore sense. Hudson is a young, cheap pitcher with potential to be at least a 4 or 5 in the big leagues. Jackson is an older, a LOT more expensive pitcher who does have some potential but has shown to be nothing but a 4 or 5 starter after more than a couple years of pitching in the big leagues already. I'd have no problem if we traded Harrell and Holmberg for Jackson... but it was dumb to trade our most valuable young pitching prospect for him.
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