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I mean, they don't really have to aspire to be Toronto. They both had two playoff appearances. Sox actually had a better "run" - at least they got a division banner and a playoff win out of it.

He was such an obvious choice it was almost comical. Til I die I'll never understand how he was not the hire. (I mean I understand, of course, but I can't believe it.)

I think the confusion here is that @TexSox is talking about the state's power to prosecute, while @TheBooneLoganEra is talking about the practical procedure for filing a misdemeanor complaint in Illinois, which is generally initiated by a complaint from the complaining witness or police officer. But while a victim can file a complaint, @TexSox's original point is true: victims have no independent power to insist on prosecution, or "drop" prosecution. That power is in the state's hands based on the prosecutor's evaluation of the evidence (otherwise anybody could just wield the power of the state to prosecute others whenever they wanted).

The state does not need a victim to consent or "press charges" in order to proceed with a criminal case. This is a common misconception. A prosecutor can proceed with a case regardless of whether a victim "signs off," and prosecutors will proceed without victim consent, including in domestic violence cases, and even if a victim affirmatively says they want to "drop the charge" (which they don't have the power to do.) Now, if you're just saying that the state may not *bother* bringing a minor charge where they know they won't have the cooperation of a victim, then yes -- that's accurate. But it's a matter of practicality, they are not legally barred from doing so.

I mean, off the top of my head Bellinger, Swanson, Suzuki -- a third of their lineup. Stroman, Taillon: 40% of their starting rotation. That's not my point, though. If you're jealous of a barely over .500 season and missing the playoffs even the Sox might be able to satisfy you pretty easily. You can speculate about the future of any team -- hell, people were penciling the Sox into future WS two seasons ago -- but these Cubs haven't done anything yet that's impressive.

Looks like we will go down as the first true and total failure of the SuperTank era. It looked like the Phillies were headed that way but they seemed to have pulled out of their dive and salvaged a respectable run, albeit with some major FA spending we'd never dream of.

Dammit, would really prefer for the Stros to go up against the Rangers and the Twins to get dispatched by the O's.

Seriously, screw them. I'd kill to have a team to root for in the playoffs. Look at the show our fans put on in our tiny little playoff window back in 2021 -- pure electricity. We deserve so much better.

Never thought I'd say that about any MLB team, but I agree.

I fully accept my admitted Cub hatred makes me a biased source...but am I the only one who has felt like he's on crazy pills throughout this oddly celebrated Cubs season? They went out and signed a bunch of free agents; I figured they'd be around .500. They ended up a couple games over in a shitty division and fell apart down the stretch, not unlike last season for the Sox. In other words, who cares? But there's this exuberant feeling around the team -- even after the choke. I just don't get it. It reminds me of the Bears offseason. It was conventional wisdom that things were "going really well" even though an unbiased outsider would have a hard time finding an objective basis for optimism. The cool thing to say was "the White Sox should just let Ryan Poles run the team" ...like the architect of the 3-14 Bears was this proven winner. Probably the same set of fans driving each phenomenon, now that I think about it -- I am hit hard every Fall by the realization that I'm now sharing a team with Cub fans. OK, rant over.

This is the first year in my lifetime that I completely stopped watching. I cut down dramatically after they followed that promising Yankees series by losing to the Marlins. Then i think it was the Twins sweep after the ASB that made me realize the cavalry wasn't coming...maybe ever

This race has pulled me back in to an otherwise miserable season. This is why you need a secondary rooting interest. My Cub hatred has brought me considerable joy over my lifetime 😆

Yeah I don't buy this for a minute. The Sox were playing "meaningful baseball" last September followed by a choke job too -- nobody around here was all carpe diem. The Cubs' greatest triumph is a fanbase that somehow bought and sold the fiction that a mediocre few months bumping between second and third in a shitty division was a storybook season.

I'm still stuck on this. This is absolutely laughable and insulting- this is an argument against hiring outside the organization in *literally every situation* (I mean, what organization would be crazy enough to "lose a whole year"?) Of course this is not true, teams hire from the outside all the time: it's the norm, in fact. Does he think he's talking to three-year-olds?

It's official. I believe this has reached the level of trolling, at least on some level. He hears the fan revolt, he is stubborn and resentful about it, and he is sticking this in our face to show who's boss. I think the cancellation of Soxfest was at least partially a "punishment" along the same lines.

I also believe Hahn was the victim of a lot of dysfunction and likely had multiple positive baseball decisions overruled. BUT. At some point, if you believe you are being forced to attach your good name to a bad product/situation you have to find your way out or you deserve the scorn that's coming your way. He was in the middle of the process that led to these disastrous results to the bitter end so he deserves the blame, period. More extreme situation of course, but it reminds me of the legal framework behind conspiracy - at some point a member of the conspiracy needs to make an affirmative effort to withdraw or they're liable for the conspiracy's acts; if they don't withdraw, it doesn't mean a thing that they "didn't like what was going on."

One of my least favorite things about the hellscape our FO has forced us into is all these pitying, "concerned" texts from Cub fan friends asking what I think of the changes, if I'm "doing OK," etc. Like I don't want to talk about any of this s%*# with them at all. F you, Jerry, for putting me in this position.

Sox hive mind says “be the Mets, no, the Padres!” No thanks, we’re far dumber than Hahn

So you're telling me that in a mere 40 years my team could be sittin' pretty in a market just pulling up on 7 million people shy of the Chicago area? AND drag shows are illegal? That's it, pack up the truck

Another sellout I assume?

Yes, once people stop showing up to Guaranteed Rate in huge numbers everything will change

Yes, it's interesting -- the seasons were really miserable in unique ways; I'm not sure which was worse. Last season was when I came to the realization that the rebuild was a failure and the core's talent wasn't inevitably going to shine through and save the team. So in that sense it was worse than 2023 because the drop in expectations was more severe, but they did have a winning record much of the season and were worth following. This season was uniquely embarrassing because the quality of play was so low and the team continued to outdo itself in humiliating and abusing its fans, (all while the hated Cubs ascended) but as you say, it was easier to just tune the team out because they were out of it so early. You have to hand it to the White Sox -- their ability to harm their fans emotionally is almost artistic. Where some masters work in oils, watercolors or clay the Sox work in failure.

It really does sometimes feel like the organization is actively trolling its fans.

I tend to agree, though I'll note that abandoning Oakland is no small deal, and not like abandoning a place like Tampa. The Bay Area is a top 10 tv market, and the ease with which it was abandoned gives me a little angst.

I'll just add to the chorus to note that of all the things that never happened, the things you described never happened the most.