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  1. michelangelosmonkey

    Madrigal could be ready for opening day

    That's a real dick comment. Sorry if you got confused by my Musgrove comments...where he had two good starts at the end of the COVID season preceded by 32 starts where he gave up 5.3 runs a game. I thought that might be relevant data points to discuss...I thought it was an interesting fact that might be worth consideration that wasn't easily seen. Perhaps it was confusing to you and you will stalk me through threads calling me the "guy who takes out his best games". Troll on.
  2. michelangelosmonkey

    Madrigal could be ready for opening day

    He his .341 his rookie year, provided the equivalent of 2 WAR offense and 1 WAR defense (30 games x 5) at 23. Why are Nellie Fox comps not still in order? Why is it hyperventilating to be excited about a player that is exactly the kind of player that this team needs? When half the board wants to trade him for a bucket of balls. The idea that we can "easily" upgrade him is curious...FG's suggests 2B is one of the weakest positions in baseball. You know how many 2B in 2019 had a WAR better than 3? 8 in all of baseball. We need to give this kid as much patience as we do with all the other budding stars on the team.
  3. michelangelosmonkey

    Madrigal could be ready for opening day

    I'm fairly certain that Soxtalk has half a dozen very active trolls that hate everything and everybody related to the White Sox and just post nonsense in every thread to irritate the rest of us. It's SO idiotic to draw conclusions about a 23 year old rookie in his first 29 games in the MLB....especially when countering all the people that watched every game he played in college and the minors and predicted he would be a great fielder and baserunner. While I may be overly optimistic about Madrigal...if he is Eckstein 2.0...well he averaged 3.2 WAR per season his first 5 years in baseball and he didn't get started until 26. I'm ok with Madrigal at league minimum providing us a 3 WAR per year through our window.
  4. michelangelosmonkey

    Joe Musgrove Thread

    And he decided to wait to unleash this masterful new pitching in the last 13 innings of what had been a season giving up nearly 6 runs a game. I think our positions are pretty well set and your contempt for me is spilling over...so let's move in. Still, the Arrieta comp is interesting.
  5. michelangelosmonkey

    Joe Musgrove Thread

    No I'm saying the Cards playing 3 doubleheaders in a week on the road, then having a day game after a night game...10 games in less than 7 days on the road might lead to exhaustion and partly explain the best game of his career.
  6. michelangelosmonkey

    Joe Musgrove Thread

    Wow...Arrieta is a great example...27, garbage before then...but his FIP and ERA were pretty much the same except 2012 when there was a huge difference and maybe that's what the Cubs saw.
  7. michelangelosmonkey

    Joe Musgrove Thread

    You should have seen how great the Saints cornerbacks played the Bronco's WRs in that game where the Bronco's quarterback wasn't in the league two days before the game...ONE completion....13 yards passing...all the field cast data showing coverage rates were off the charts saying Saints secondary could be set for an amazing rise...or, you know, maybe it was just a weird thing that happened once.
  8. michelangelosmonkey

    Joe Musgrove Thread

    Stop it...I NEVER agued that Lopez is better than Musgrove...I argued Lopez and Musgrove were both 27+ year old failed top prospects and that Stiever + Lopez ++ is better than Musgrove.
  9. michelangelosmonkey

    Joe Musgrove Thread

    Yes...there's a lot to hate about Lopez...but it's just hard to forget the 14 strikeout 6 inning game against the Tigers or the one hitter against the Indians late in the season. He's only 27 and Katz...ever hopeful...but I agree we don't want to start the season with him as our fifth starter.
  10. michelangelosmonkey

    Joe Musgrove Thread

    I'm arguing that somewhere inside of Reylo is an amazing pitcher. I hope Katz can pull it out of him. Nothing more than that.
  11. michelangelosmonkey

    Joe Musgrove Thread

    And just to have a bit of fun with Cherry Picking...his ten best starts in 2019: 68 Innings pitched, 84 strike outs to 18 walks, 1.19 ERA Oh Reylo...how you tantalized us...and now you are unredeemable garbage.
  12. michelangelosmonkey

    Joe Musgrove Thread

    No his last 32 starts from May 1st 2019 to mid September 2020 his ERA was 5.28. And ultimately FIP should equal ERA...and I wrote that I went back and looked at several three year periods where a guy with a FIP half a run lower than his ERA portended a break out guy and in the two periods I found no examples. Doesn't mean I'm right...doesn't mean you are wrong...it just means I'm very cautious about this. And honestly...if Reylo had finished 2020 with the exact same two starts in late September against the exact same two teams...NO ONE on this board would be saying...this guy is a breakthrough #3 starter or maybe better. We would all be saying...well that was weird...interesting...intriguing...but I don't trust it.
  13. michelangelosmonkey

    Joe Musgrove Thread

    Wow thats pretty hostile. I wasnt being dense about his "bad" start..he had a total of 0 quality starts in 2020 before the wonder two. He had two starts, in September, after his injury, where he gave up 2 runs in 3 innings and 4 runs in 5 innings. I thought those were bad two...as were several other ugly 2020 starts....thats how you end up with an era near 6 in mid September. As for the corraborating scouts where you imply I'm an idiot..you gave one un-named high ranking NL "official". Pirates VP of sales is a NL official. Anyway Im tired of this. Two inarguable facts-- JM was amazing his last two starts and he was terrible the previous 32. peace
  14. michelangelosmonkey

    Joe Musgrove Thread

    He didn't have one AWEFUL game that drove down his stats. That was Lance Lynn. Again...his WAR (baseball reference) show's him for his whole career as a 1 WAR kind of a guy. When people started throwing around his fWAR and all sorts of reasons why he is a hidden gem...I looked deeper. Not sure why you are slamming me...if he had a long history of being really good and then had a down period because of arm troubles and I ignored that well then I'm a dope. But why is what I'm saying not at least interesting? I'm not saying it's conclusive...spin rates, and xfip and usage rates and whatever all sounds very sciency...but why have the results been so mediocre. Especially when the two GREAT performances came from weird situations. If you told me the New Orleans Saints pass defense was amazing and used as a data point their game against the Broncos where they held them to 1 completion and 13 yards of total passing offense...without the context that Denver was missing their top 4 quarterbacks because of COVID I would say the stats are a bit tainted. I am fairly certain no team in 50 years has played 10 road games in 7 days. Danny Duffy and his 5 ERA also shut out the Indians.
  15. michelangelosmonkey

    Joe Musgrove Thread

    I don't get why you are ignoring his previous 32 starts before those last two fluky starts in 2020. ERA of 5.28 in 32 starts...a full season of Reylo. ERA is what actually happened. xFIP is what some people think may have happened if what happened didn't happen...and as I wrote...FIP should be predictive...you should be able to get in your time machine and go back and find someone on a bad team that has a FIP 1/2 a run lower than his ERA and then see how that flower blossomed...and I went over two different three year periods from 10 and 13 years ago (arbitrarily) and basically found no one. I wouldn't mind taking a flier on someone like that for nothing...but trading assets for that???? People on here are willing to trade Madrigal ++ for him.
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