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  1. michelangelosmonkey

    COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

    But science in a crisis?? Throw spaghetti at the wall. Like when someone has inoperable cancer and you can't get laetrile because it's not been double blind tested by the FDA so you have to go sit in your hospital room and wait for your death because...well why try stuff that isn't 100% safe.
  2. michelangelosmonkey

    COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

    60 recorded cases out of 330,000,000 people at the end of February in US and zero deaths. I suspect you are right...I suspect a lot of people in NYC, Seattle and California had it in December. A monster came out of the mountains of China. We had never seen this monster before. Our Monster watch organization didn't see it coming and had no real plan in case we encountered a monster. China sends the monster over to the US. When the death rate from the monster stood at zero in the US...we should have had the country locked down. The president took some actions but fell short of screaming for everyone to hide in their basements. Turns out the monster is pretty bad. Monster kills a lot of people. Moral of the story...President is a bad guy.
  3. michelangelosmonkey

    COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

    F) models...repeatable double blind tested trial
  4. michelangelosmonkey

    COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

    I think many of your ideas are useful. I think the next time we will be better prepared. I think there are zero presidents in my lifetime that would have ramped up production in January for a virus unknown outside of China at that time....or end of February when twenty Americans had it. I think outside of a few in the CDC most people in the US were not that freaked out about Viruses. I asked my parents if they remember the 1957 outbreak (in their thirties at the time) they can't even remember it...and it was BAD. I was a young kid in 1968 and remember the Hong Kong flu...but more as a comedy punch line than something I was "afraid" of. Sars, Mers, Swine flu? The annual flu? Meh. Only 40% of Americans were even bothering with the flu vaccine. But NOW....every weird disease is going to be treated as if it is the big one. I for one wouldn't mind seeing 10% of the $700 defense budget being shifted over to the CDC. Of course we are always fighting the last battle...five years from now it will be a super volcano and everyone will be saying the president is an idiot because he didn't prepare us for it...or alien invasion...or polar shift...or solar flares that knock out all electronics. So many terrors out there.
  5. michelangelosmonkey

    COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

    And those idiots in France...and those Idiots in Spain...and those idiots in Belgium...and those idiots in England...and those idiots in Sweden...if we could only have you as world despot there would have been zero deaths.
  6. michelangelosmonkey

    COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

    Come on Caulfield...CDC gets billions every year to prepare for this. The president has no idea about viruses...he has a multi-billion dollar organization that has been running for decades and a pandemic comes along and the life long veterans that are there...gave this? Institutions run irrespective of their leaders. GM can have a bad CEO but the guys throughout the organization still understand cars. The test launch is an embarrassment. France has been worse. UK worse. Were they too stupid to copy the Koreans too? The Canadians?
  7. michelangelosmonkey

    COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

    That's interesting. It's amazing what a truly totalitarian state can do. As you rightly say it doesn't offer much guidance to the swirling democracy we live in. I'm not sure it's fair to say "well if it would have been Obama it would have been worse." I'm ideologically opposite of most of where President Obama stood...but I always thought he was elected and had a right to try and truly was good-hearted in his attempts at doing things I disagreed with. Sure Fox news had negative stuff on him but only 30% of it was shrill. But 90% of all news articles about Trump have been negative. It's exhausting. Honestly everything he's done has not been horrible. His responses to this virus have not been horrible. But it seems there is no sense reason on the other side. I used to love the Sunday political talk shows...not for the canned politicians reciting their talking points...but the moderators and talking heads dissecting the events. Smart guys thinking and saying smart things in opposition but well thought out. Now it is just who can howl the loudest Trump hate.
  8. michelangelosmonkey

    COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

    Spain, Italy, France, UK, Sweden, Belgium, Canada all have more deaths per capita than the US. So to suggest we are the only ones stumbling in the dark on this thing is just wrong. As I wrote earlier...we are also uniquely positioned to have it hit us hardly. Seems like the villains in this drama are 1) China 2) CDC, 3) WHO (for getting billions in funding over the years and being completely flat footed on this). If you want to put Trump and other EU leaders up there...fine.
  9. michelangelosmonkey

    COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

    I appreciate you being there at the epicenter...and we all pray for you Caulfied. I've been to China many times and I'm familiar with the totalitarian state. I'm sure they have Hubei completely locked down. But there are 65 cities in China with more than a million people. Hundreds of thousands left Wuhan on crowded planes, buses and trains to every region of China. There are 13 cities in China with more people than NYC and NYC has 25,000 dead. Something is missing.
  10. michelangelosmonkey

    COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

    Most Asian airports that I have gone to have always had those heat sensing stations and a lot of the populations already wearing masks. You could say we should have started this after Swine flu when Obama was president but that might seem political. Anyway I think this is an incredible lesson for us to learn for the future and I think for the remnants of us alive once this thing is gone we will rise up and rebuild a new greater nation.
  11. michelangelosmonkey

    COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

    What are you smoking? I have NEVER said this wasn't a big deal. This is a very big deal. Viruses are bad. I didn't CALCULATE the numbers for ten million. How about a million? It's about 100,000 in the US. They have 4 times the population, are a month ahead of us on the curve and have a population with damaged lungs. I don't believe their numbers but I'm pretty sure if the real number was half a million some dissident would have sent that information.
  12. michelangelosmonkey

    COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

    But half a million people left Wuhan province the weeks before the shut down. The epicenter of this and they spread to every region of the country...every city and village in China. If you do any modeling of a super infectious virus with moderate death rates China should be swimming in corpses.
  13. michelangelosmonkey

    COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

    January 24h we didn't know anything. The Chinese had just gone to the extraordinary measure of quarantining 40 million people and Trump was being supportive and at the same time drafting a plan a few days later to restrict travel from China.
  14. michelangelosmonkey

    COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

    Because I was trying to show the hypocrisy of your position? Of COURSE it's not Pelosi or Cuomo's fault. It's a new virus, it was early day's and humans try to make the most of sketchy information and balance hundreds of interests. No one knew until everyone knew.
  15. michelangelosmonkey

    COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

    OK that's all sounds reasonable but how...how do you have flight or airports that aren't cesspools for diseases? How do you enforce quarantine? How do you deal with damnable Americans that say "no one's going to tell ME what to do". And are we certain that this is the right path? How much economic destruction can we tolerate? And what happens after we have a 12 month shut down and some idiot comes from China with it and infects five people? We are right back here and the country falls off a cliff.
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